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The easiest way to install Vista?
I have this nagging memory of ZdNet bloggers talking about their experiences installing Vista on various machines over the last few months. Wasn't the consenus that a clean Vista installation was far less problematic (i.e. more likely to work) than upgrading a machine from XP?

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The easiest way to install Vista?  Zogg | 01/29/07
I will NEVER upgrade any OS  georgeou | 01/29/07
Then that's a "Yes"?  Zogg | 01/29/07
That's a big YES  georgeou | 01/29/07
I don't get it ...  Oknarf | 01/29/07
You show, right away, that you "get it."  OButterball | 01/29/07
call 911 ...  Oknarf | 01/29/07
Oknarf, "Voila?!?  OButterball | 01/29/07
Your absolutely right.  Cayble | 01/29/07
Lemmings  ajv123 | 02/03/07
Please read the original post again.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Upgrade over hosed system is a hosed install  osreinstall | 01/29/07
I even find that it usually takes less time to do a clean install  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Might as well buy the OEM version  osreinstall | 01/29/07
True the OEM could be much cheaper in actual use  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Could? I always got OEM licenses cheaper than the upgrade.  osreinstall | 01/29/07
Should go over very well with Windows purchasers.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
You are joking right.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Preventing disaster is a sales point.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
Geez Anton you can't really believe what you are saying.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Respecting disaster.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/07
The problem is upgrades end in a disaster more often than no backup  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Damn I hate car analogies...but,  Cardinal_Bill | 02/02/07
I agree  davisnewman | 01/29/07
Wonder what the next Apple computer commercial will be  voska | 01/29/07
No, the PC guy will become the Windows Guy  nucrash | 01/29/07
"Any?"  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Yer right, Yagotta.  OButterball | 01/29/07
In Total Agreement George...  ju1ce | 01/29/07
Even Ubuntu Linux that I love, does much better with a clean install  slim-01 | 01/29/07
I could have guessed  Moosehouse | 01/29/07
If that's true why am I fine with BSD & Mac as well.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Can you explain the issue here?  xuniL_z | 02/01/07
That is the easiest way  Leria | 01/29/07
Starting to come around  Richard Flude | 01/29/07
An apology as requested  bportlock | 01/29/07
Be careful...  Tim Patterson | 01/29/07
Then have them go  mdemuth | 01/29/07
Win ME  frodo@... | 01/29/07
Don't diss WinME  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Win ME  kurmat | 01/29/07
Win ME  beep.wot | 01/29/07
Wishing for...  M.R. Kennedy | 01/29/07
No. If you don't like Microsoft's license don't buy Windows.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Obviously the subtle hint....  bportlock | 01/29/07
Why must we "rent" what we are "buying"  jaybyrd | 05/14/08
You predicted wrong  georgeou | 01/29/07
Wrong  JohnM865 | 01/29/07
Bad argument, real bad.  Cayble | 01/29/07
No apologist. How about Loverock, No_Axe & Anton.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Not true  rapson | 01/30/07
Loverock vs. Mike Cox?  Tony Agudo | 01/30/07
hard to say  richvball44 | 01/30/07
well I use XP and I'm not going to apologise on behalf of microsoft  stevey_d | 01/31/07
Ever get the feeling this is an insider job...  Scrat | 01/29/07
Yeah, and this one can't be taken back easily  georgeou | 01/29/07
I don't anticipate a revolt.  ye | 01/29/07
Not just a nuisance but a consumer issue.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Get real. Nothing has been removed.  ye | 01/29/07
Yes, it *could* be a problem...  M.R. Kennedy | 01/29/07
I agree...it is annoying. But it's nothing more than that.  ye | 01/29/07
Clean install is a feature. It has been removed.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Then user should have done their homework.  ye | 01/29/07
How can they do their homework on Info not released by Microsoft Yet.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
What about the people tricked in to buying XP in last 3 months?  georgeou | 01/29/07
How am I being ridiculous?  ye | 01/29/07
Because a clean install is better and they can't do this and thought they  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Show me the lie.  ye | 01/29/07
What happens if....  Cayble | 01/29/07
did anybody?  richvball44 | 01/30/07
Not the whole story....  angrykeyboarder | 01/29/07
Thanks for clarification  georgeou | 01/29/07
tools to provide with every copy of Windows  zzz1234567890 | 01/29/07
Even better...  Tony Agudo | 01/29/07
Defragging...  Raymond Danner | 01/29/07
Or so I'm told  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
you're talking about fsck, that's not a defrag tool  Tony Agudo | 01/29/07
Done  ShadeTree | 01/29/07
I fail to see how...  ye | 01/29/07
Apparently you have to do a "Windows Genuine Check"  nucrash | 01/29/07
Given that the majority of people...  ye | 01/29/07
Agreed  nucrash | 01/29/07
Why do you ask?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
The copy of XP has to be validated  ShadeTree | 01/29/07
"genuine" Win 200  kaworu1986 | 01/29/07
No kidding...  ju1ce | 01/29/07
Ghosting doesn't always work for me  rdhalsteatzd | 01/29/07
Ridiculous Hoops  XaereauX | 01/30/07
aha!  richvball44 | 01/30/07
More clarification  bportlock | 01/29/07
Lame by design  dsedberry | 01/29/07
The world tech has already moved far ahead of Windows  slim-01 | 01/29/07
You just keep thinking that and keep holding your breath  georgeou | 01/29/07
No my attitude is "if only people new they had real options they would go  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Problem  dsedberry | 01/29/07
Ubuntu Linux is easier to use than Windows.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
XP is harder  I. Kidya Knott | 01/30/07
Vista vs,. Linux/Unix  Raymond Danner | 01/29/07
I was a Windows Tech also  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Linux isn't the only option  thegestunkenaraygun | 01/30/07
I like Macs. I'm cheap though. Linux is free.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Breath holding  XaereauX | 01/30/07
Isn't OpenGL just as important? Isn't MS phasing it out?  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Yes I think you're right vista or current vista drivers don't do OpenGL  stevey_d | 02/04/07
while true...  foh.galo | 02/12/07
I don't see what the big deal is...  bhartman36 | 01/29/07
You're confusing an upgrade with an installation.  ye | 01/29/07
Okay, thanks. I think I got it now...  bhartman36 | 01/29/07
It means that you have the right to a discount...  ye | 01/29/07
They don't allow it at the corporate level.  nucrash | 01/29/07
Problem is  voska | 01/29/07
Why?  ye | 01/29/07
It mainly affects them because they should do a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
From the information given it appears they can...  ye | 01/29/07
That though is not a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
A clean install means installing on a clean disk.  ye | 01/29/07
Yes and once WinXP is installed then you no longer have a clean hard drive.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
It will impact about 20 to 30% of Windows users  slim-01 | 01/29/07
That's how most people will get Vista  ye | 01/29/07
Thing is it shouldn't be a requirement for a clean install.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Your not comaring apples to apples  jfp | 01/29/07
Because this is what we have always had and they are charging more  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Microsoft obviously doesn't trust, doesn't like, and...  Henry Miller | 01/29/07
I downright loathe users...  nucrash | 01/29/07
In Loathing users you might be being honest but  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Selling products you hate is never a good thing  georgeou | 01/29/07
Or the Alternatives aren't on par yet  nucrash | 01/29/07
Not really  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
History says they are right....  webshooter | 01/29/07
Nothing new  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
The problem with your "blacklisting" solution  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Your point?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Honestly  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Honestly. Dual Boots are non of Microsoft's business.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
The problem with your "blacklisting" solution  compunaut | 01/29/07
virtual pc  richvball44 | 01/30/07
What's the problem  voska | 01/29/07
If you want it, buy it  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Sorry but people should complain.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
When you upgrade you're no longer entitled to use...  ye | 01/29/07
Actually you should be able to downgrade.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
You may be able to.  ye | 01/29/07
??  richvball44 | 01/30/07
If it's not in the EULA  I. Kidya Knott | 01/31/07
This will hit small customers the hardest  Chad_z | 01/29/07
Wow that's a first!  h_j_k@... | 01/29/07
Microsoft is your friend????  h_j_k@... | 01/29/07
Vista Limited Upgrade?  AldoWatts | 01/29/07
What about Win98 users.  Holiday34691 | 01/29/07
Vista - NO WAY!  hj@... | 01/29/07
W9x to Vista? - Forgetaboutit  rmetzger@... | 01/29/07
Vista  larsb@... | 01/29/07
Just upgrade that old box to linux Mandriva Free  madhead@... | 02/02/07
You cannot upgrade from 9x to Vista  ye | 01/29/07
Buy OEM  georgeou | 01/29/07
Home Basic OEM is $96.99  osreinstall | 01/29/07
OEM does fix the upgrade problem  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
More a hardware issue I believe.  devlin_X | 01/30/07
two versions of Windows for the price of one?  gallery1945 | 01/29/07
Read your license  frank_s | 01/29/07
Sorry that was from the XP license agreement  frank_s | 01/29/07
It's called a FREE trade-up  georgeou | 01/29/07
What's FREE about it?  a_aramini@... | 02/01/07
Trade-Up, NOT Upgrade  bhartman36 | 02/05/07
That's right  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
Negative Feedback  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Prophecy  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Product Differentiation  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Negative Feedback  tubr0 | 01/29/07
Huh?  A.Sinic | 02/02/07
Does it require an activated copy of XP?  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
I'm not sure about that  georgeou | 01/29/07
Wouldn't such a requirement be a catch-22?  mathandmetal | 01/31/07
looks like another well thought out feature  jjarman | 02/05/07
Something I Don't Understand  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
NO, it's a FREE trade-in  georgeou | 01/29/07
But  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
A couple of points.  D-cat | 01/29/07
This is more like  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Sure, but would you rather have to send the old disk in?  georgeou | 01/30/07
Let's see how this works.  I. Kidya Knott | 01/31/07
The VISTA cert is for one license.  D-cat | 01/31/07
A FREE upgrade?  gallery1945 | 01/30/07
Vista coupons for anyone buying PC last 3 months  georgeou | 01/30/07
Again you are using FREE a bit loosely  a_aramini@... | 02/01/07
He's only talking about the upgrade edition  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
Oops, meant to reply to message, not article  t_mohajir | 01/29/07
But still  m_bain@... | 01/29/07
I did a clean install  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
Goody for you  tubr0 | 01/29/07
Beats heck out of me whether it does or not  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
Well like I said, that's great for you  tubr0 | 01/31/07
All the work you mention has very good apps in Linux except .net  slim-01 | 01/31/07
What apps are those?  butler360 | 01/31/07
They would be.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Actually....  devlin_X | 01/30/07
Linux users keep me away from linux  butler360 | 01/29/07
Then what are using since Windows Fanboys are even worse.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
I'm using Windows XP...  butler360 | 01/31/07
Nothing wrong with saying the opinion that Windows users have other options  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I never said that.  butler360 | 01/31/07
Could it be?  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Correction.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Ah yes  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
Very Good- !  fr0thy2. | 01/29/07
Wouldn't that be nice?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
He's "Richard's Revenge"  nottheusual1 | 02/01/07
OS Choice = Political Affiliation  butler360 | 01/31/07
I'm smug becuase what I have WORKS  critic-at-arms | 01/29/07
So does Windows XP  butler360 | 01/31/07
How can you make a claim without trying out something else.  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I never said one was better  butler360 | 01/31/07
Windows to Linux conversion is easy.  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Get Off the Linux moans  fr0thy2. | 01/29/07
Are you a malware writer?  XaereauX | 01/30/07
Considering that Windows is a soft target and Linux, Mac & BSD are hard  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Don't you think by now  devlin_X | 01/30/07
You paid for a free OS? LOL  TasteeWheat | 01/29/07
You're berating him for his honesty?  D-cat | 01/29/07
Value for the money  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/30/07
Just One More Little Bitty Drop  Ole Man | 01/29/07
Here's your work-around  JDThompson | 01/29/07
why not just make an image?  rinaldok@... | 01/29/07
Potentially common scenario...  randysmith@... | 01/29/07
That's the users fault, not Microsofts  ye | 01/29/07
Yeah, Right!  Ole Man | 01/29/07
It's all about personal responsibility.  ye | 01/29/07
True. But we can make the decision not to use Microsoft at all.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Then by all means do so.  ye | 01/29/07
From my experience ...  mwagner@... | 01/29/07
A small group?  devlin_X | 01/30/07
You're right, but even worse than that  georgeou | 01/29/07
Sounds good to me  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
huh?  xuniL_z | 02/06/07
Chains  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
I wouldn't think so... this time  Michael Kelly | 01/29/07
No there isn't  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Upgrade vs full OEM version  BlankFrank | 01/29/07
Check this  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Check this  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Hmm..  BlankFrank | 01/29/07
Crooked As A Dog's Hind Leg  Ole Man | 01/30/07
Microsoft's legal fictions  orthocross | 01/29/07
Read this very closely. Then ask yourself why would I agree to this.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Would you like one or two lumps with your Moca Vista?  D. T. Schmitz | 01/29/07
Upgrade or degrade  waynemethorst | 01/29/07
Your choices are a bit limited  joemc911 | 01/29/07
Don't Dis WinME  frodo@... | 01/29/07
Precisely!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
DSP OEM Versions  daryll@... | 01/29/07
Sorry - I think this is a good idea...  a_guiness@... | 01/29/07
Re: MSFT is constantly concerned over the volume of "naked PCs"  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Not true  daryll@... | 01/29/07
You need to read the original post  slim-01 | 01/29/07
by a linux laptop  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
How can I be hijacking when I'm responding to someone else who brought it  slim-01 | 01/30/07
That's the market  daryll@... | 01/29/07
If PC Makers choose not to sell No OS units that is one thing  slim-01 | 01/30/07
It's none of anyone's business if you get a "naked" PC  georgeou | 01/30/07
Mafioso  Ole Man | 01/30/07
Wonder How They Made All Those Billions And Billions  Ole Man | 01/30/07
End Users and Product Keys  willcomp47 | 01/29/07
What Next  whoozhe@... | 01/29/07
Even better. Why not move to other options.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Which Rock  Moosehouse | 01/29/07
I use Linux but Mac and BSD are good also.  slim-01 | 01/30/07
An "upgrade" is a "upgrade".  cnfrisch | 01/29/07
People were tricked in to buying XP in November and December  georgeou | 01/29/07
You are being more than fair.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
No one was tricked...at least you haven't...  ye | 01/29/07
When something has been a certain way for 30yrs it is a fair assumtion  slim-01 | 01/29/07
No, it is not. An assumption is just that...an assuption.  ye | 01/29/07
You can afford to play this game, Microsoft can't  georgeou | 01/29/07
Sure they can  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Sticking with XP is an option, some might go Linux  georgeou | 01/29/07
ROFL  TonyMcS | 01/29/07
Oh George I forgot TonyMcS on that list who supports Windows no matter what  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Tony, a lot of people will just stick with XP if they don't like the terms  georgeou | 01/29/07
I was tricked and I am ticked  revronee@... | 01/30/07
Do you understand the history that show this is nonscense.  slim-01 | 01/29/07
Why upgrade to Vista at all?  Resuna | 01/29/07
For Gamers, DX10  nucrash | 01/29/07
What's wrong with XP?  Resuna | 01/29/07
did not know untile after perchasing upgrade  hughes28105@... | 01/29/07
George, this contradicts MS's own site  Punchey | 01/29/07
Update...  Punchey | 01/29/07
It's a clean install AFTER it detects an old OS present  georgeou | 01/29/07
Ahh...  Punchey | 01/29/07
No time  daryll@... | 01/29/07
What happens when your drive crashes and nothing's on the system  georgeou | 01/29/07
defective from the box  zoroaster | 01/29/07
George, you just don't remember!  mwagner@... | 01/29/07
What happens if they need to recover from a disaster?  georgeou | 01/29/07
That depends  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/29/07
Disaster Recovery  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
Maybe they could try doing this?  Zogg | 02/01/07
This article is LAME by design!  juzdownunder | 01/29/07
Discourage the adoption? Fly the flags!  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
WinXP-SP3  professordnm | 01/29/07
take the headaches then rather than now  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Microsoft tells us what we need. We need Vista.  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Beat up I'm afraid George  TonyMcS | 01/29/07
Clean install important  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Clean install possible  Oknarf | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrades  BernieLyons | 01/29/07
No, It's NOT the First Time!  godhner | 01/29/07
So , here is my price comparisons (upgrades versions don't count).  Graham Fluet | 01/29/07
Quit Whining! That's how I upgraded to WinXP with Win98 already on the PC!  rh0 | 01/29/07
XP Suppt only 4 years until 2011!  zdnet reader | 01/29/07
Whats wrong with XP What about Linux  rickyschultz@... | 01/29/07
Hit the nail on the head.  Cayble | 01/29/07
"new computer don't even know what a "VISTA" OS is"  Ole Man | 01/29/07
buy for the sake of having the latest.  zdnet reader | 01/30/07
Wanting Microsoft to design their software correctly is not the same as  slim-01 | 01/31/07
I'm happy MS will support XP until 2014... And why are you whining?  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Where's the beef?  Insight Driver | 01/29/07
RE: Clean Install  BernieLyons | 01/29/07
No more clean installs for the upgrade  genefitz | 01/29/07
A semi-related question  Punchey | 01/29/07
Vista DRM already cracked  tic swayback | 01/29/07
Where, oh where did that little disk go?  DonG43 | 01/29/07
I hear ya on that one  Puffnstuff | 01/29/07
Most won't notice  79spitfire | 01/29/07
Nothing new here!  mikeholli | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrade dies 12/31/2013  Bill Ward | 01/30/07
Why do people who use Microsoft's products put up with this kind of crap?  slim-01 | 01/30/07
Vista Upgrade  beermaster2003 | 01/30/07
If you don't know what an upgrade has meant historically don't call others  slim-01 | 01/30/07
You do not know what an upgrade is.  osreinstall | 01/30/07
Is it stated on the outside of the upgrade?  larrybed4 | 01/30/07
2 things  richvball44 | 01/30/07
That'll work, too.  JDThompson | 01/31/07
My first Vista install experience  doebuns | 01/31/07
Works for YOU...  tubr0 | 01/31/07
Nonsense. I have installed at least 100 users myself.  slim-01 | 01/31/07
Microsoft want to take old WinXP off the market to force upgrade to vista  stevey_d | 01/31/07
That would kind of be the point to "upgrade"  D-cat | 01/31/07
Not right though. What if a person beleaved Microsoft's minimum hardware  slim-01 | 02/01/07
Rolling back.  D-cat | 02/01/07
Read the article first  nizuse | 01/31/07
(was in reply to Yagotta's response)  nizuse | 01/31/07
Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price!  cnfrisch | 02/01/07
Clean Install From upgrade  danm50 | 02/02/07
ya ok...  tubr0 | 02/02/07
Actually it is a work horse  D-cat | 02/03/07
clean instal of upgrade  tlwhitford@... | 02/02/07
Clean Vista Install Is Possible  jpdoran@... | 02/02/07
Microsoft only gives a damn about executives' time.  HypnoToad72 | 02/02/07
Upgrade nightmare  Tim Patterson | 02/02/07
Nobody installs XP on FAT32 partition  D-cat | 02/03/07
Acer does...  Tim Patterson | 02/03/07
dd  D-cat | 02/03/07
Thanks  Tim Patterson | 02/03/07
it's on knoppix too  D-cat | 02/04/07
I did as well  stevey_d | 02/04/07
what if....  pulapower@... | 02/04/07
Windows Secrets Solution  khamelinck | 02/05/07
CRAP  spamcollector@... | 02/09/07
A clean upgrade is possible with the secret Vista upgrade  johnkuchta@... | 02/09/07
If anything it will ecourage piracy  foh.galo | 02/12/07
in reality  foh.galo | 02/12/07

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