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I know you don't like upgrading from XP - you've said in the past that you don't recommend it - but I assume you've tried Vista on a "clean" PC or is this running on a virtualised PC?

I understand that bugs are bugs that the media bugs you point out will be present to matter you install Vista, but I'm thinking primarily about the memory bug and the PC locking up. Is there any noticeable difference between a clean install, an upgrade or a virtualised session or does it lock up on all of them?

It seems an astounding fault for the testing to have missed.
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Some suggestions  bportlock | 01/08/07
He probably hasn't thought of that  Leria | 01/09/07
to be fair, I couldn't get hibernate to work on Vista. (clean install)  stevey_d | 01/09/07
How does it work in Linux?  icheyne | 01/08/07
Due to DRM?  BobF_z | 01/08/07
Mostly Video/Audio related  BobF_z | 01/08/07
We're talking about DVD interlaced playback  georgeou | 01/08/07
Gutmanns analysis  Endoscopy | 01/08/07
re: Gutmanns analysis  cbradshaw@... | 01/09/07
...apart from the random lockups  jinko | 01/08/07
I agree  usrhlp | 01/30/07
Not that I ever standup for Microsoft but...  nucrash | 01/08/07
Iam no big defender of Microsoft ...  mrlinux | 01/08/07
makes me a little nervous...  redtrain65 | 01/08/07
While your watching  slim-01 | 01/08/07
That article was high on hot air and low on data  georgeou | 01/08/07
re: That article  cbradshaw@... | 01/09/07
Ah but most things were directly related to MS  georgeou | 01/08/07
I have to agree and...  Linux_Fanboy | 01/11/07
Issues?  SuperSean | 01/08/07
How many Microsoft Certified drivers?  BobF_z | 01/08/07
Non issues for you is an issue for others  georgeou | 01/08/07
george I wonder if you remember when XP first came out  Michael L Hereid Sr | 01/09/07
George you may want to look at this  Michael L Hereid Sr | 01/09/07
"Send to" works for me also  frank_s | 01/08/07
I don't care about send to, I care about Open With  georgeou | 01/08/07
Priceless post  Richard Flude | 01/08/07
Another Vista review  Richard Flude | 01/08/07
Sorry link  Richard Flude | 01/08/07
THat guy was wrong,  usrhlp | 01/30/07
Holy ***** BSOD on Vista?  stevey_d | 01/09/07
Lie back and enjoy it, George  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/08/07
Just Remember Windows ME  nucrash | 01/08/07
I hope that your post ...  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
Amen!  Seenidog | 01/08/07
XP is not a relative of ME, it's 2000  georgeou | 01/08/07
XP features on a 9x Core!!!  nucrash | 01/09/07
re: XP is not a relative of ME, it's 2000  cbradshaw@... | 01/09/07
Windows 2000 Pro  voska | 01/09/07
I figured there had to be at least one....  Badgered | 01/09/07
Don't be ridiculous  georgeou | 01/08/07
Subjectivity  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/08/07
Won't matter to me in 2012  georgeou | 01/08/07
Welll...  zkiwi | 01/08/07
re: Won't matter to me in 2012  deaf_e_kate | 01/08/07
Of course not, the world ends in December 2012. [NT]  swoopee | 01/08/07
If you look at when WinME support ended you can calculate when WinXP ends  slim-01 | 01/08/07
End of support doesn't mean a self destruct  georgeou | 01/08/07
Windows Self Destruct  cbradshaw@... | 01/09/07
How can you connect to the Internet without security updates.  slim-01 | 01/09/07
Of course not, George  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/09/07
EULA says nothing about a self destruct after a certain date  georgeou | 01/09/07
I never said it would self-destruct  Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/09/07
re: EULA says nothing about  cbradshaw@... | 01/10/07
My Guess is they'd disable activation  voska | 01/09/07
It is still called a kill switch  osreinstall | 01/09/07
As I remeber when XP came out-either ZDnet or CNET interviewed gates  Michael L Hereid Sr | 01/10/07
How interesting  nizuse | 01/13/07
Microsoft rarely stops support  voska | 01/09/07
Gras is green  nizuse | 01/10/07
Impact on business users?  ejhonda | 01/08/07
XP didn't need SP1, Vista might  georgeou | 01/08/07
Problem isolation  D. T. Schmitz | 01/08/07
This WAS a clean install  georgeou | 01/08/07
Have you tried switching out  Linux User 147560 | 01/08/07
Yup, everything except the motherboard  georgeou | 01/08/07
Well... since that is the last thing you have yet  Linux User 147560 | 01/08/07
trace damage  D. T. Schmitz | 01/08/07
I don't have the same kind of mobo and I'm not going to spend money on one  georgeou | 01/08/07
I have to agrree  Linux User 147560 | 01/09/07
Yeah I'll have to do that  georgeou | 01/09/07
dmesg  D. T. Schmitz | 01/08/07
I'll see what I can do. I don't have a Knoppix CD handy.  georgeou | 01/08/07
correct!  D. T. Schmitz | 01/09/07
Mostly Multimedia Type Issues  jpr75_z | 01/08/07
Maybe I've missed something....  bportlock | 01/08/07
One person's report of problems ...  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
Fresh memory didn't fix it  georgeou | 01/08/07
re: ASUS motherboard with Intel 945 chipset  Arm A. Geddon | 01/08/07
Has nothing to do with memory or mainboard.  osreinstall | 01/09/07
How wide spread  perryroyce@... | 01/08/07
Best source would be Microsoft...  BobF_z | 01/08/07
Don't think they will give me that info  georgeou | 01/08/07
re: stability issues in his ASUS rig  Arm A. Geddon | 01/08/07
Hmmm Radeon 9550 ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/07
re: Radeon 9550  Arm A. Geddon | 01/08/07
When I was still running XP on my Asus I had a USB recognition problem  slim-01 | 01/08/07
Even if it is a hardware driver issue, doesn't change anything for me  georgeou | 01/08/07
If you built you next PC instead of buying one  slim-01 | 01/09/07
You couldn't be more wrong!  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Not this much with XP  georgeou | 01/09/07
And when you by from a "major" vendor you get what they got the cheapest  slim-01 | 01/10/07
Similar problems...  jerry@... | 01/09/07
I'm running WHQL NVIDIA drivers  georgeou | 01/09/07
re: I'm running WHQL NVIDIA drivers  cbradshaw@... | 01/10/07
I am using the RTM of Vista on a laptop ...  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
For the stability issues it's probably driver related  georgeou | 01/08/07
Not only the stability bugs but also the S3 issue.  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
Thanks for your clarification  georgeou | 01/08/07
I don't know that there is a list of motherboards ....  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Beta: You use it, you break your computer, you own your own problems.  Mercat | 01/08/07
Agreed  ImUpAbvIt | 01/08/07
I'm not saying don't use beta or 1.0....  Mercat | 01/08/07
one small point  Badgered | 01/08/07
True, but....  Mercat | 01/08/07
This is NOT BETA!  georgeou | 01/08/07
Lay off the caps George...  Mercat | 01/08/07
I did install the patches  georgeou | 01/08/07
No problem.  Mercat | 01/09/07
I don't think I'm lucky since others haven't had lockup issues  georgeou | 01/09/07
Actually  Mercat | 01/10/07
but it should still be a rc(release canditate)  Arm A. Geddon | 01/08/07
canditate ?  Arm A. Geddon | 01/08/07
Lol...we take tech advice from you?  techboy_z | 01/08/07
As opposed to?  nucrash | 01/08/07
Actually...  Mercat | 01/08/07
XP didn't have these issues though it was a minor jump from Windows 2000  georgeou | 01/08/07
True it should be 99.9% ready, secure and stable  slim-01 | 01/08/07
Actually...  Mercat | 01/08/07
MS is not alone  georgeou | 01/08/07
Oh I agree...  Mercat | 01/08/07
That's the "minor" issue of your customer base and backward compatibility  georgeou | 01/09/07
Minor Issues:  Mercat | 01/09/07
It's beta  chuckgosh@... | 01/10/07
Oh that was helpful  D. T. Schmitz | 01/08/07
Actually it is words to live by...  Mercat | 01/08/07
VISTA is NOT -- NOT -- BETA  ChazzMatt | 01/09/07
I've already answered this statement...  Mercat | 01/09/07
They have to release something!  B.O.F.H. | 01/08/07
George, A couple questions.  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
Nothing wrong with the captures, it's the playback  georgeou | 01/08/07
Thanks for the feedback.  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
It will play fine on better hardware  georgeou | 01/08/07
George, have you tried the Compatabilities modes ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
It didn't help HD with Aero off. BTW, 6200 has h.264 hardware  georgeou | 01/09/07
Forgot link  georgeou | 01/09/07
Hmmm  Skullet | 01/08/07
Strange  BobF_z | 01/08/07
You missunderstand what I'm saying  Skullet | 01/08/07
Laptops and embedded videos is as bad  georgeou | 01/08/07
Indeed  Skullet | 01/08/07
Accually HDTV is more reliant on hard drive speed than anything else  slim-01 | 01/08/07
I disagree  Skullet | 01/09/07
I ran HDTV on it for over a year  slim-01 | 01/09/07
Correction He was running 1 Analog TV card not 2  slim-01 | 01/09/07
To suggest that MythTV is the ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
I doubt you even knew about Mythtv before I mentioned it  slim-01 | 01/10/07
Yes I not only knew about Myth TV ....  ShadeTree | 01/11/07
Just plain wrong, HD video only needs 1 to 2 megabytes per sec  georgeou | 01/09/07
My example was running multiple TV cards (2 HDTV & 1 Analog)  slim-01 | 01/10/07
The slowest Hard Drive supports 5 simultaneous HD streams  georgeou | 01/10/07
In thinking this over I will admit that I was relying on someone elses test  slim-01 | 01/11/07
That's nonsense  georgeou | 01/08/07
Oh dear  Skullet | 01/09/07
Again, it's not slow for the FULL experience  georgeou | 01/09/07
As an engineer for a major OEM I can ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Here's the link to prove it  georgeou | 01/09/07
Correction.  ShadeTree | 01/08/07
yes  georgeou | 01/08/07
What are you running a supercomputer  slim-01 | 01/08/07
Wrong about Open With  paullyv | 01/08/07
It's a problem for me on Vista RTM  georgeou | 01/08/07
"Open with..." is working on my Vista  IT_Guy_z | 01/08/07
Microsoft sent me RTM for x32 and x64  georgeou | 01/08/07
Suggestion  Skullet | 01/08/07
It was formatted and installed from scratch  georgeou | 01/08/07
Mine works too  anythingbutmine0 | 01/08/07
This is probably a duh moment,  D-cat | 01/08/07
Open with appears, the list of applications I used don't  georgeou | 01/08/07
Thought as much  D-cat | 01/08/07
? la Jobs: sell beta-Vista & debuging it later for the expense of users (NT  Vily Clay | 01/08/07
Can't find an S3 desktop?  anythingbutmine0 | 01/08/07
What's the model number and brand?  georgeou | 01/08/07
Vista Bugs  AlexAlcala | 01/08/07
Alex....  Badgered | 01/08/07
I'm on gold RTM code  georgeou | 01/08/07
Stick with XP  Skullet | 01/09/07
The scroll beside your mousepad ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Business - Home Office Software ?  FreeStyleWork | 01/08/07
Lack of open with list and lockup issues  georgeou | 01/08/07
Try this  epaval@... | 01/08/07
Tried all that  georgeou | 01/08/07
Hmm...  epaval@... | 01/08/07
GRAND JURY?  BALTHOR | 01/08/07
mmmm, sounds like another good reason to switch to Apple  rgillard | 01/08/07
Trust me...Apple is NOT immune...  IT_Guy_z | 01/08/07
For me and many others Norton has always been...  JCitizen | 01/08/07
I want to thank George for his candit avaluation of Vista  slim-01 | 01/08/07
I know he's tried SuSE 10 before...  D-cat | 01/08/07
People do tend to like the first distro they get used to the best  slim-01 | 01/09/07
I didn't care much for mandrake.  D-cat | 01/11/07
I used Mandrake for my server from 1997 to 2002  slim-01 | 01/11/07
I've been trying a bunch of Linux distros  georgeou | 01/08/07
Clarification.  georgeou | 01/08/07
*  D. T. Schmitz | 01/09/07
To be honest I use a Ubuntu/VMWare combo  slim-01 | 01/09/07
Not unusual  Chad_z | 01/09/07
bull  mgrubb@... | 01/10/07
COW!  Linux User 147560 | 01/10/07
True. Every time I say I got tired of dealing with Windows problems I am  slim-01 | 01/11/07
I've been trying FreeBSD  stevey_d | 01/09/07
To spite some people like you  slim-01 | 01/11/07
hmmm  Skullet | 01/09/07
You must be a newbie then. Far from awful.  slim-01 | 01/09/07
Or do what a lot of Windows people do...  bportlock | 01/09/07
Try to at least make your posts ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Hey Tree. I was more than obvious that he meant those bailing on Windows  slim-01 | 01/10/07
He and you would both be wrong then.  ShadeTree | 01/11/07
Only in your Windows only vision world.  slim-01 | 01/11/07
i am running rc1 on3 and beta 2 on 1 computers they are less buggy than xp  Marduc | 01/08/07
I hear games run well on Vista, but that wasn't in my list of complaints  georgeou | 01/08/07
Mixed Results  Skullet | 01/09/07
Microshaft  Sowhatsupyouranus@... | 01/09/07
No problem.  Mercat | 01/08/07
Problems Solved!  scjohnson77 | 01/08/07
Not using beta, and we can't take download links here  georgeou | 01/08/07
Playing ripped movies from HDD  epaval@... | 01/08/07
What do you expect from Microsoft??  ConradPoitras@... | 01/08/07
Windows Content Protection  D. T. Schmitz | 01/08/07
greedy MS and DRM  duke_z | 01/08/07
Eloquently put....  dustinspears3@... | 01/09/07
I Tend To Agree with duke_z  Ole Man | 01/24/07
Why buy Vista  duke_z | 01/08/07
Very few people actually buy Windows, the PC makers do.  georgeou | 01/09/07
Which in a nut shell is why Microsoft has the market share.  slim-01 | 01/09/07
But consumers have not been buying up cheep Linux PCs  georgeou | 01/09/07
Only because Linux users usuall build there own  slim-01 | 01/10/07
True, but don't you think that's the reason major OEMs avoid Linux?  georgeou | 01/10/07
Yes I agree with that.  slim-01 | 01/11/07
What was the point releasing this product?  Chad_z | 01/09/07
SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK = OPEN WITH  erniescar99 | 01/09/07
That's not the problem  georgeou | 01/09/07
my setup, all free, no Microsoft apps  JetJaguar | 01/09/07
Thanx Geoge  voska | 01/09/07
There will probably be a free 90 day trial like ...  ShadeTree | 01/09/07
Ironic  dgurney | 01/09/07
Bugs, DRM, and video, Oh My!!  mgrubb@... | 01/10/07
How is it illegal to backup a DVD or CD?  georgeou | 01/10/07
same ole...  ashgilpincom | 01/10/07
Patience.  Kobashrer | 01/13/07
Give Them Time  Ole Man | 01/14/07
Although I understand-----  barefoot1976 | 01/15/07
Third party are already working on it  georgeou | 01/15/07
and that Vista broke compatibility with Adobe Photoshop, which is an Indust  barefoot1976 | 01/15/07
Your "problems"  beaner1111@... | 01/23/07
Yes, Georgie Should Know  Ole Man | 01/24/07
The real villan: The Sonn Bono act of 1998  jdubow@... | 01/24/07
Open with feature  jessiedj | 03/02/07
Vista Driver for Epson Perfection 1240 scanner  kwlyon | 03/04/07
amazing  kebu | 03/13/07
Vista issues  dcconsulting | 11/08/07
RE: Long list of Vista bugs that will keep me off Vista  elillvis | 12/28/07
RE: Long list of Vista bugs that will keep me off Vista  computer_geek | 03/15/08

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