This just cannot be! Right!?
Cayble | 11/01/06
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Strawman
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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That's Artie!
Moltz | 11/01/06
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Its about alot more then that my 'friend'
Cayble | 11/01/06
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Go back and re-read your post
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Your answers tic
Cayble | 11/01/06
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Oh, please.
timyu | 11/01/06
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And I dont mind saying, you are one with your head in the ground.
Cayble | 11/01/06
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Cayble resorts to name calling
timyu | 11/01/06
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Can't do it
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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Mac people
wcb42ad | 11/02/06
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Odd reaction
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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"Odd Reaction"
MacCanuck | 11/02/06
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Dude, you're getting a Dell!!
NonZealot | 11/02/06
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Criticism is fine...
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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Its the claim of perfection...
wcb42ad | 11/03/06
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Claim of perfection
jragosta | 11/03/06
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And that's the strawman
tic swayback | 11/03/06
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Sure tic, not what I said though, yours is the strawman argument, not mine
Cayble | 11/03/06
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Thanks for the clarification
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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hypocritical are we??
wcb42ad | 11/06/06
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Cayble and wcb42ad@
NonZealot | 11/06/06
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wcb42--Where are all these Mac users?
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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NZ--glad you're here, we need an expert on being a zealot
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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I'll tell you what Mac Zealots say!!!
Cayble | 11/06/06
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How does that make them zealots?
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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My point, once again
wcb42ad | 11/07/06
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RE: Its about alot more then that my 'friend'
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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You are totally correct. Whats laughable about that?
Cayble | 11/02/06
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RE: You are totally correct. Whats laughable about that?
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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Cayble....try looking after the Microsoft zealots first.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Sure, plenty of MS/Windows zealots but...
Cayble | 11/03/06
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Says who?
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Question jragosta, CAN YOU READ?
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Read his first sentence
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Utter Garbage
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Check out comp.sys.mac.advocacy
ye | 11/02/06
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Maybe you should learn to read...
jragosta | 11/02/06
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And he would be right.
ye | 11/02/06
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Right?
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Nothing? You are aware...
ye | 11/03/06
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Well, I think these Mac 'ploits are also do-able on Doze...
nomorems | 11/03/06
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RE: Question jragosta, CAN YOU READ?
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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Yes
jragosta | 11/02/06
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RE: Yes
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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Sorry
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Proof again that jragosta is a Microsoft shill who can't read.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Yes. The point being: Double standards
Scrat | 11/03/06
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Now we get to the heart of the matter.
multanihl | 11/03/06
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Refreshing to see that not all Mac users are zealots
Scrat | 11/03/06
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Wonderful!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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This is some exploit . . .
joeldm | 11/01/06
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If only you could provide proof like this for Maynor and Ellch...
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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That's precisely the attitude that led to this
georgeou | 11/01/06
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Promises, promises
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Tic Tick Tick
TonyMcS | 11/01/06
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Does that mean
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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I am a seeker of the truth
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Blame Tic?
Harry Bardal | 11/01/06
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George is asking for it
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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You are the worst
Len Rooney | 11/01/06
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oooh! A Mac version of Mike!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Proof won't vindicate you.
timyu | 11/01/06
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Wow, I'm impressed!!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Cold... Ice Cold
Harry Bardal | 11/01/06
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Ah but you missed Tic's response
georgeou | 11/01/06
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As I have stated in a previous post...
Cayble | 11/01/06
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It is more like a simple redefinition
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Go ahead guys, keep making yourselves feel better.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Don't feel too bad nomorems ..
Cayble | 11/03/06
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Still waiting
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Do you understand what a PoC is?
Scrat | 11/02/06
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PoC
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Again, it seems you cannot tell fantasy from reality
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Viruses...
wcb42ad | 11/02/06
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Viruses
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Check your definition
NonZealot | 11/02/06
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Definitions
jragosta | 11/02/06
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You are right
NonZealot | 11/02/06
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Nothing....
jragosta | 11/03/06
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Bah!
wcb42ad | 11/03/06
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Bah, yourself
jragosta | 11/03/06
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With that said will you *finally* acknowledge...
ye | 11/03/06
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You are vulnerable to being hit by a car.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Old or not it was still vulnerable.
ye | 11/03/06
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Finally acknowledge?
jragosta | 11/03/06
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jragosta! You blatant liar! Ha! I know for a fact you have read different!
Cayble | 11/03/06
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That's not the impression you're leaving.
ye | 11/04/06
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Marketshare myth
jragosta | 11/04/06
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Because they exist only in your mind?
ye | 11/04/06
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Vista Viruses
jragosta | 11/04/06
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Good job jragosta!!
NonZealot | 11/04/06
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It doesn't matter NonZealot , jragosta has no credibility
Cayble | 11/04/06
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Where's the BeOS and Amiga malware Joe???
ye | 11/05/06
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BeOS / AmigaOS
jragosta | 11/05/06
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The burden of proof is on your shoulders.
ye | 11/06/06
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Says George the supporter of black hat hackers
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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Keep your pants on.
timyu | 11/01/06
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RE: That's precisely the attitude that led to this
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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An attitude lead to the release?
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Well this month is going to suck
nucrash | 11/01/06
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They already responded, look at my update
georgeou | 11/01/06
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You sure love the black hats now, don't you?
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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I've stated my policy very clearly
georgeou | 11/01/06
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More mythical George "truth"
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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Wow this argument is old
nucrash | 11/02/06
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It is old, I agree
zkiwi | 11/02/06
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Then why are you celebrating these guys?
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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More accusations without proof...
V-Train | 11/01/06
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Yawn...more lies
bonchbonch | 11/01/06
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Message has been deleted.
b.d.hi | 11/02/06
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Too bad, George
jragosta | 11/01/06
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I made the accusation, I'm the witness
georgeou | 11/01/06
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Does that mean
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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Uh huh
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Re: Uh huh (jragosta's post)
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Wrong
jragosta | 11/02/06
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I'm the witness too
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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What's the policy on journalistic fraud?
Robert Crocker | 11/02/06
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Report him
jragosta | 11/02/06
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RE: I've stated my policy very clearly
Protagonistic | 11/02/06
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Airport Extreme is not only Intel Macs
V-Train | 11/01/06
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Will update with credit to you
georgeou | 11/01/06
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You're "spinning"
bonchbonch | 11/01/06
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its not spinning...
doh123 | 11/02/06
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Hey George, why did you leave the first part of Lynn Fox's quote out??
V-Train | 11/01/06
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If a PowerPC Mac runs Airport, it's affected
georgeou | 11/01/06
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YOU DID NOT RESPOND AT ALL TO HIS QUESTION
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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YOU ARE WRONG ZKIWI!!!!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Read this thread
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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I did read the thread
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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You're clearly not talking about reading this thread
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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You need help zkiwi
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Yeah, it would be nice
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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Awww, poor zkiwi
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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zkiwi... ignore the stalking troll
MacCanuck | 11/02/06
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Hi MacCanuck!!
NonZealot | 11/02/06
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Guess people think Windows fanbois have no sense of humor?
nomorems | 11/03/06
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NZ - you made me laugh!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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excuse me but,
April May | 11/02/06
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Who?
Someguy2 | 11/01/06
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Poke a termite mound
TonyMcS | 11/01/06
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Go away, troll
V-Train | 11/01/06
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*sigh*
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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No kidding!!!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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The exploit is not the issue here
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Yeah!
Harry Bardal | 11/01/06
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Easy answer
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Because
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Because that was a fact.
GeorgeOu_Is_an_Idiot | 11/02/06
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Like TLC, I'm a witness
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Watch the advertisements Tic
TonyMcS | 11/01/06
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Show me where
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Apple doesn't claim it's completely secure...
SheldonW | 11/01/06
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The strawmen are out in force tonight
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Reread: I said nothing against Apple.
SheldonW | 11/01/06
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Woah, slow down there pardner!
tic swayback | 11/01/06
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Looks like the strawmen aren't the only ones out tonight!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Please stop
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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No zkiwi
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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Contextomy
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Well...
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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actually . . .
jlhenry62 | 11/02/06
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Probably?
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Nice try.
Cayble | 11/01/06
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You misread this one
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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I know tic...its just getting very tired thats all.
Cayble | 11/02/06
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Here's the problem
tic swayback | 11/03/06
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Pathetic, Cayble.
timyu | 11/03/06
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I cant believe you do not see this.
Cayble | 11/03/06
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What is meaningful about it?
tic swayback | 11/03/06
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You have officially turned yourself into a joke tic.
Cayble | 11/04/06
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Cayble, you just got schooled by tic!
thelemite | 11/06/06
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Huh? What?
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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Your still off base tic
Cayble | 11/06/06
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So again, your point was meaningless? Fine
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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Yes, Cayble, Microsoft will get more customers because of Mac user comments
nomorems | 11/03/06
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i.e.: No one makes a purchase decision by reading ZDNET forums!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Tic...take some time off.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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Mmmm, froth...
tic swayback | 11/06/06
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They are still correct
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Doesn't George Ou get tired of flat-out LYING?
bonchbonch | 11/01/06
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Already fixed
georgeou | 11/01/06
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Left out?
V-Train | 11/01/06
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It's been fixed within an hour
georgeou | 11/01/06
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I said what I want already
V-Train | 11/01/06
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I asked you what more do you want?
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
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What more would I like?
bonchbonch | 11/01/06
|
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Asking too much
tic swayback | 11/01/06
|
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It's embarrasing
nizuse | 11/02/06
|
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George won't do that
Rick_K | 11/02/06
|
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Fact checking
jragosta | 11/01/06
|
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Doesn't change these facts...
comp_indiana | 11/01/06
|
|
Thanks for the history lesson!!!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
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Not surprising
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
jragosta: Thanks for the computer lesson!!
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
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Still need to work on it
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
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Win9X?
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
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All one need do is compare OSs
MacCanuck | 11/02/06
|
|
Umm...it's not the history books thats lying..it's you NonZealot!
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
Gee, what a surprise
tic swayback | 11/01/06
|
|
Amazing - and what other flawed....
Jim888 | 11/02/06
|
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Interesting
nizuse | 11/02/06
|
|
YIKES!
xxn1927 | 11/01/06
|
|
Here's a hint
zkiwi | 11/01/06
|
|
On making a clever 'typo' with John Gruber's name
Rzza | 11/01/06
|
|
Actually, that WAS a typo
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
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Right...
bonchbonch | 11/01/06
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Mine was a typo, but the PoC was named in honor of Gruber
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
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From everything I've read
Rick_K | 11/02/06
|
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Does anyone care what George POu writes?
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
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Yeah, I didn't think it was a typo either...
V-Train | 11/01/06
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Research is important
dogfriend | 11/01/06
|
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I was wondering where all the Zealots went to!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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It'd be fairer to call us
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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Someone's gotta do it
tic swayback | 11/01/06
|
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Either I've missed them or....
ju1ce | 11/01/06
|
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You'd be right
zkiwi | 11/01/06
|
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Big difference
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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Yes, John C. has learned.
nomorems | 11/03/06
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I'm curious tic
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
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Hmmm, forget the strawmen
zkiwi | 11/01/06
|
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You know what everyone thinks zkiwi?
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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I guess that makes you
zkiwi | 11/01/06
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Only if....
jragosta | 11/01/06
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Whatever
zkiwi | 11/01/06
|
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I didn't think...
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
Split Personalities?
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
|
Good point!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
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Don't waste your time
zkiwi | 11/02/06
|
|
One more time (with feeling):
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
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You see...
jragosta | 11/01/06
|
|
Fine then, explain this
NonZealot | 11/01/06
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not at all
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
|
A Mac Cultist could say that
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
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Strawman
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
|
Does that mean that Windows is immune to malware too?
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
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It's going well
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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Good to hear it
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
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Helps with the hit counts and ad impressions
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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I'm sad
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
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Proves my point
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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Don't be sad NonZ!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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...and mine is less likely to kill you)!! 
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
look in the mirror?
joeldm | 11/01/06
|
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Wouldn't help...
MacCanuck | 11/02/06
|
|
Now that's funny!
joeldm | 11/02/06
|
|
Gee NonZealot, where did your normal flame-bait Linux users go?
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
Have any Apple notebooks been exploited?
j.m.galvin | 11/01/06
|
|
The exploit and proof of concept is public
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
|
Scary? I'm not scared
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
|
It should scare everyone since every OS is affected
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
|
Differences exist though
comp_indiana | 11/01/06
|
|
Wow, thanks for the tip!!!
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
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Difference of opinion
comp_indiana | 11/02/06
|
|
Valid permission scheme?
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
|
I guess I'll need something better than faith to protect me from hackers.
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
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That's because
jragosta | 11/01/06
|
|
Simple jragosta
NonZealot | 11/01/06
|
|
As usual
jragosta | 11/01/06
|
|
Then why does the company you preside over...
ye | 11/02/06
|
|
Maybe
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
Yet use still choose PCs except for the occasional Mac
ye | 11/02/06
|
|
Maybe....
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
Oh come now Dr. Ragosta...
ye | 11/03/06
|
|
What part don't you understand?
jragosta | 11/03/06
|
|
The part where you keep telling us how bad PCs are...
ye | 11/03/06
|
|
So your point is...
jragosta | 11/03/06
|
|
You do Mac advocacy proud Joe
ye | 11/03/06
|
|
Ye can't read, either
jragosta | 11/03/06
|
|
As I said...you do Mac advocacy proud
ye | 11/03/06
|
|
No . . . the answer is NO.
joeldm | 11/01/06
|
|
The answer is NO. And the fact is that even the news release . . .
joeldm | 11/02/06
|
|
Maybe they'll do better next time
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
|
If they do find more vulnerabilities, then that's fine, it means that . . .
joeldm | 11/02/06
|
|
Very Very Tedious
D. T. Schmitz | 11/01/06
|
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There is
zkiwi | 11/01/06
|
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Great Idea
D. T. Schmitz | 11/01/06
|
|
I'm gay.
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
I don't have any issues with Apple
D. T. Schmitz | 11/01/06
|
|
Fair Enough, But....
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
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Maybe
jragosta | 11/01/06
|
|
PR versus Product Quality
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
|
You just described every computer company out there . . .
joeldm | 11/01/06
|
|
Business as usual, eh?
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
|
Look at their repairs record, it's the best in all categories by far . . .
joeldm | 11/02/06
|
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Not Perfect, Which Was My Only Point
multanihl | 11/02/06
|
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Still waiting
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
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Since you asked so politely (and of course I know you read the links)
multanihl | 11/02/06
|
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Still waiting
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
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Go read the links before coming back
multanihl | 11/02/06
|
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Ahh, I understand
NonZealot | 11/02/06
|
|
jragosta still ignoring reality I see.
Cayble | 11/02/06
|
|
Better post better support for your 'opinions', err. Microsoft propaganda!
nomorems | 11/03/06
|
|
Wow.... Just, Wow.
multanihl | 11/05/06
|
|
The news is that 5 more of these exploits may come out
georgeou | 11/01/06
|
|
never denied that it was a serious issue
multanihl | 11/01/06
|
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Of course
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
Hurray!
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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Right!
1macgeek | 11/02/06
|
|
Ou-gasm
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
Oh please
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
|
True
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
"weaponized form"!!
999ad@... | 11/02/06
|
|
Empty promises
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
|
While you're wetting yourself, eww . . .
joeldm | 11/01/06
|
|
Amazing
jragosta | 11/02/06
|
|
Eww does hypocrisy better than logic . . .
joeldm | 11/02/06
|
|
only two days...
isserley | 11/02/06
|
|
Somehow I think "Arsche lecken" would apply more to Apple zealots
Scrat | 11/02/06
|
|
I suggest you learn German
Richard Flude | 11/02/06
|
|
Wrong target (no surprise for a Mac Zealot)
Scrat | 11/02/06
|
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No
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
|
Glad to see you've got your sense of humour back tic!
Scrat | 11/02/06
|
|
I'm taking it like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane
tic swayback | 11/02/06
|
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"Flude is more of a marionette / stick puppet"
jlhenry62 | 11/02/06
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So you think a ring-0 zeroday flaw is not serious?
georgeou | 11/02/06
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I don't think it has to do with the threat itself.
multanihl | 11/02/06
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Where did he say that?
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Ready!
Len Rooney | 11/02/06
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It's serious allright....
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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George is confirmed as a complete fraud...
doctorSpoc | 11/02/06
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And don't forget...
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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Not sure if the Mac market share allows for
Scrat | 11/02/06
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Oh please
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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Which is not possible?
jlhenry62 | 11/02/06
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Well played sir....
tic swayback | 11/03/06
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Thank you!!!!
jlhenry62 | 11/03/06
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Lack of cogent argument
jragosta | 11/03/06
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So.....
jragosta | 11/03/06
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You forgot
jragosta | 11/02/06
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Funny how zealotry can make you see things different
Scrat | 11/02/06
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no you are looking really foolish... get a clue.. please!
doctorSpoc | 11/02/06
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Maybe
jragosta | 11/02/06
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a few things ive noticed you are wrong on.
doh123 | 11/02/06
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it's a half baked exploit...
doctorSpoc | 11/02/06
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Security B***** watch
jragosta | 11/02/06
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More George Hypocrisy
jragosta | 11/02/06
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I'm sure George will explain his reasoning...
tic swayback | 11/02/06
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And now for something completely different . . .
jlhenry62 | 11/02/06
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Wrong answer
tic swayback | 11/03/06
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That works, too . . . (nt)
jlhenry62 | 11/03/06
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He can't.
jragosta | 11/02/06
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He's using "Ou logic"
Rick_K | 11/06/06
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Why don't all you PC Windows Users just go home!
nomorems | 11/03/06
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TRY GETTING REAL WHINER
Cayble | 11/04/06
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Sensationalism and IE7 Zero-Day
arrowcutter | 11/04/06
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Not to mention...
jragosta | 11/05/06
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Really?
NonZealot | 11/05/06
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Some of us have a life on Sundays.
georgeou | 11/05/06
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Funny, you had time to post your "media bias" BS two Sundays ago
V-Train | 11/05/06
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That's called "Ou logic"
Rick_K | 11/06/06
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By the way, the patch is out today
georgeou | 11/05/06
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Wow! This is such big news! An Apple flaw! Can't be!
MacGeek2121 | 11/06/06
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I have to agree
NonZealot | 11/06/06
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Really?
jragosta | 11/06/06
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Incorrect Much?
iMouse | 11/10/06
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