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"If you're suggesting that any new infrastructure should be completely given to the general purpose Internet, then you are naive because you're never going to get any new infrastructure without some financial incentives for the people investing in the new infrastructure."

Oh, you mean like... the taxpayers? Didn't we "invest" billions of dollars to upgrade 85% of the homes in the United States to fiber connections by 2006? I'm all about fairness... if the telcos had paid out of pocket for the networks they now want to impose speed tolls on, then I'd say "go for it!" However, they asked for subsidies and tax breaks, funded by the american people, to support an upgrade of those systems to allow for a larger overall data pipe. They've yet to fulfill their promise, incidentally.

Am I against prioritizing traffic to make the network more efficient for everyone? Not at all. I can't see letting them offer preferential treatment for a fee, though, when part of the problem stems from their failure to do as promised with MY money.
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You know who invested in this?  Sabalo | 06/10/06
Shy on facts  georgeou | 06/10/06
Oh really?  Sabalo | 06/10/06
OK, let's play along  richardbennett | 06/10/06
The US postal service charges for priority delivery too  georgeou | 06/10/06
Involving the general public in First Amendment issues  palmwarrior | 06/10/06
Free speech? Who's talking about shutting down free speech.  georgeou | 06/10/06
Free speech IS the issue. I didn't say SQUAT about packets.  palmwarrior | 06/10/06
Tell me, who's blocking your free speech?  georgeou | 06/10/06
I gave you a rationale in my first post but you jump all over cyberspace  palmwarrior | 06/11/06
What rationale?  georgeou | 06/11/06
An editorial that treats the politics of the issue  palmwarrior | 06/11/06
The first five words of the First Amendment are...  MWSherman | 06/11/06
It's short, so we can quote the whole thing:  palmwarrior | 06/12/06
Enemies list? Here are some facts instead  MWSherman | 06/12/06
Thanks for getting back to the question I asked in my first post...  palmwarrior | 06/12/06
And that shows how ignorant you really are  DanLM | 01/29/08
Re: Net neutrality extremists should stop playing engineers  none none | 06/10/06
reprise  none none | 06/10/06
Of course you have to permit ISPs to charge for it  georgeou | 06/10/06
QoS in practice  lippard | 06/10/06
Great, thanks  georgeou | 06/10/06
Re: Of course you have to permit ISPs to charge for it  none none | 06/10/06
Stop changing your position back and forth  georgeou | 06/10/06
Re: Stop changing your position back and forth  none none | 06/10/06
Are you against the Markey amendment or not?  georgeou | 06/10/06
Re: Are you against the Markey amendment or not?  none none | 06/10/06
You still dodged the question  georgeou | 06/10/06
Isn't it annoying when someone does it back to you?  Letophoro | 06/12/06
I answered you  georgeou | 06/12/06
Actually, you did not.  Letophoro | 06/12/06
The business case (for people who are still with me)  none none | 06/10/06
It's a business decision, not a technical one  georgeou | 06/10/06
However,  hlhowell@... | 06/30/06
And George ignores IPv6  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/10/06
Stop changing the subject  georgeou | 06/10/06
IPv6 is not all about QoS  lippard | 06/10/06
Note that Vista makes it easier  georgeou | 06/11/06
Chilling Startups?  steve_case | 06/10/06
Re: Chilling Startups?  none none | 06/10/06
Who are you quoting?  georgeou | 06/10/06
Are you blind?  kckn4fun | 06/12/06
Great explanation George  richardbennett | 06/10/06
Routing is a specialty  georgeou | 06/10/06
Shaw like to play politics  richardbennett | 06/10/06
Who's playing engineer, Junior?  jbartas | 06/10/06
so what's your position and argument?  lippard | 06/10/06
Funny, I don't remember you either  richardbennett | 06/10/06
I'm not surprised...  jbartas | 06/10/06
So are you for Markey or not?  georgeou | 06/10/06
My point is...  jbartas | 06/10/06
We're getting somewhere, but are you for Markey or not?  georgeou | 06/10/06
We agree on the economics, but who will enforce it?  jbartas | 06/10/06
You didn't even read the Markey amendment?  georgeou | 06/11/06
How to enforce  georgeou | 06/11/06
It's been done  richardbennett | 06/10/06
Your link has no information on Net neutrality  georgeou | 06/10/06
Oops, here's the full links  jbartas | 06/10/06
So 3 mbps DSL should cost the same as 10 mbps DSL?  georgeou | 06/10/06
The people write the laws.  xstep | 06/11/06
Some humility please  nizuse | 06/11/06
Some study, please  richardbennett | 06/11/06
Some wisdom, please  nizuse | 06/11/06
Yes I am  richardbennett | 06/11/06
So What?  mejohnsn | 06/30/06
Should I have used 'ignoramuses' instead?  georgeou | 06/11/06
When someone displays zero understanding of the amendment they support  georgeou | 06/11/06
Mixing issues?  Robert Crocker | 06/11/06
Not really  richardbennett | 06/11/06
Great Genuflections...I humbly inquire...  agarillon | 11/09/06
And "engineers" should stop playing journalist. (nt)  Letophoro | 06/12/06
I still don't get your point  wonsil@... | 06/12/06
Get Real about bandwidth  jdubow@... | 06/12/06
journalistic license  dotkayk@... | 06/12/06
Mr. Berners-Lee didn't read Markey amendment  georgeou | 06/12/06
Your logic is flawed  kckn4fun | 06/12/06
You forget the "P" packets  georgeou | 06/12/06
Whose logic is flawed?  montie_3 | 06/12/06
CIR  Chad Strunk | 06/12/06
I would pay for 100 kbps of priority traffic  georgeou | 06/12/06
100Kbits???  hlhowell@... | 06/30/06
The thing I worry about...  Kamikaze_Ohka | 06/12/06
No, you're completely wrong  georgeou | 06/12/06
I can't find the reference right now  ebrke | 06/12/06
Here's your link  Letophoro | 06/12/06
Try again  Letophoro | 06/12/06
Drat.  Letophoro | 06/12/06
If Yahoo buys a faster pipe, what's the difference?  georgeou | 06/12/06
That's not my point.  ebrke | 06/13/06
If Yahoo buys a local presense with your ISP  georgeou | 06/13/06
Thanks for getting back to the question I asked in my first post...  palmwarrior | 06/12/06
The issue is deregulation (Still)  Larry Marks | 06/12/06
That's completely false  richardbennett | 06/12/06
I agree with you completely, but need to clarify  georgeou | 06/12/06
Engineers  TonyMcS | 06/12/06
I think you're misunderstanding the situation  georgeou | 06/12/06
You are wrong  d6564 | 06/16/06
You need to take a step back and smell what your shoveling.  PokeyJoe | 06/16/06
The bill has two QoS provisions  richardbennett | 06/16/06
Which section(s) of Markey?  agarillon | 11/09/06

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