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Well said!
XML is a regression to seventies style hierarchical methods of data management.

This has already been tried once, proved to be too inconsistent and complex, and been pretty much completely superceded by SQL DBMSs. This is despite SQL being a deeply flawed implementation of the relational model.

I am glad that a few other people out there are finally coming to their senses about this absurdity.

When I first saw XML my reaction was. Why are we going back to something that is the logical equivalent of a COBOL file description? I will leave it to the XML enthusiasts to answer this question.
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Well said!  jorwell | 09/02/05
Logical-Physical Independence  jorwell | 09/02/05
Right on the Mark!  tshinder@... | 09/02/05
This is not an open/closed source issue  IanX | 09/02/05
One of the few uses of XML  Zalok | 09/02/05
Not the only use  jorwell | 09/02/05
XML more emotional than rational  jorwell | 09/02/05
I think you left out a piece.  Anton Philidor | 09/02/05
Yes you're right  george_ou | 09/02/05
Do "normal people" have to be helped?  Anton Philidor | 09/02/05
Normal people want to understand  george_ou | 09/02/05
No Pro argument for XML to be made by anyone?  Anton Philidor | 09/02/05
Human Readable is NOT an argument of XML  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Is the inventor of XML wrong?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Sounds like a slick sales pitch  george_ou | 09/02/05
Really ?  JJ_z | 09/02/05
It was on Tech TV  george_ou | 09/02/05
eXcitable Marketing Language  jorwell | 09/06/05
I use XML  __howard__ | 09/03/05
What does this have to do with DLL hell?  george_ou | 09/03/05
I'm not giving a ringing endorsement of XML  __howard__ | 09/03/05
DLL Hell can be mitigated by XML  kwelch_z | 09/07/05
No dissenters?  Roger Ramjet | 09/02/05
It isn't simpler, it's more complicated  jorwell | 09/02/05
Why would I want to buy XML compression gear?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Yes, you're right  jorwell | 09/02/05
It's just a disaster period  george_ou | 09/02/05
Absolutely  jorwell | 09/02/05
Yeah, thanks for that church of XML link  george_ou | 09/02/05
One of the most disturbing aspects of XML....  jorwell | 09/06/05
Not sure your argument is right though  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Smoke and mirrors  george_ou | 09/02/05
What are you transferring that requires a T3  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Why XML then?  george_ou | 09/02/05
I agree partially  george_ou | 09/02/05
Non-issues  Not average Joe | 09/02/05
Non-issues?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Yep  Not average Joe | 09/02/05
HTML isn't as bad and is far more limitted  george_ou | 09/02/05
More reason to think outside the standard view if you have a large dataset  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Even so, why bother with XML?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Sorry, posted as a new msg to the article instead of a follow up  JJ_z | 09/02/05
The Wonderful World of XML  ramien@... | 09/02/05
if you would consider...  JJ_z | 09/02/05
What's the point then?  george_ou | 09/02/05
sorry...  JJ_z | 09/02/05
If you would consider  ramien@... | 09/02/05
Yes and the price of that Server is ?  JJ_z | 09/02/05
What's the price of compression hardware and more storage?  george_ou | 09/02/05
This is not a non-issues  jfife1@... | 09/06/05
Everything has own purpose  newcomer_z | 09/02/05
Agreed but that is not what the XML proponents say  george_ou | 09/02/05
And if the volume of data you are transferring is huge  jorwell | 09/02/05
XML - many things to many people but it ain't the one solution for all.  JJ_z | 09/02/05
But the Church of XML is trying to make it the end all  george_ou | 09/02/05
The hell with the Church of XML  JJ_z | 09/02/05
But that won't be a choice soon  george_ou | 09/02/05
MS...  JJ_z | 09/02/05
There will be, but I'm worried about the default setting  george_ou | 09/02/05
Being lead by the nose  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Thought it was other way around  george_ou | 09/02/05
Still not interested in wasting hardware  george_ou | 09/02/05
Efficiency vs Flexibility  JJ_z | 09/02/05
What's to keep me from doing this with a binary format?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Not if you needed to be compatible with other system  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Not if it was standardized  george_ou | 09/02/05
There were some work before  JJ_z | 09/02/05
But why bother with the compression?  george_ou | 09/02/05
...is to  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Why would it automatically ten times more ?  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Not automatic, just typical  george_ou | 09/02/05
Sometimes ?  JJ_z | 09/02/05
What XML Does  Conmergence | 09/02/05
What?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Reply to George on Charles F. Goldfarb  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Another reason (bad reason though)  JJ_z | 09/02/05
Efficiency is always important  george_ou | 09/02/05
Nothing Justifies Processing Inefficiency  Erik1234 | 09/07/05
Here is why we have XML is very simple:  B.O.F.H. | 09/02/05
Does that justify a wholesale conversion to XML?  george_ou | 09/02/05
Depends on your business needs as to a conversion.  B.O.F.H. | 09/03/05
Again, why does this have to be done in XML?  george_ou | 09/03/05
Not too sure on your panic over XML.  B.O.F.H. | 09/03/05
You're not answering my questions  george_ou | 09/03/05
Most people don't use a databse for word processing!  B.O.F.H. | 09/05/05
Not talking about word documents  george_ou | 09/05/05
MS Office file size with XML  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/04/05
hmmm  Richard Flude | 09/04/05
Not binary XML then  george_ou | 09/05/05
Please check your facts, becuase you are wrong.  opensourceidiot | 09/04/05
I'll say it again  george_ou | 09/05/05
Plenty  Richard Flude | 09/04/05
No it isn't just about efficiency  jorwell | 09/04/05
Examples please  Richard Flude | 09/05/05
Some examples  jorwell | 09/05/05
Why are youtrying to use XML for this?  B.O.F.H. | 09/05/05
Well said BOFH  Richard Flude | 09/05/05
Of course I'm not using XML for this  jorwell | 09/05/05
Not what I was talking about  george_ou | 09/06/05
You're looking at the way of the solution backwards  JJ_z | 09/06/05
So if I have this straight  jorwell | 09/06/05
Hierarchies are bad  jorwell | 09/06/05
Edit  jorwell | 09/05/05
Practical problem solving  jorwell | 09/05/05
Practicle solution  Richard Flude | 09/05/05
Too complicated, too expensive, too inflexible  jorwell | 09/05/05
Anyone who thinks  jorwell | 09/06/05
Depends on the 'data' being feed back and forth  JJ_z | 09/06/05
Why not try answering the question?  jorwell | 09/06/05
XML by itself does not have any transactional mechanism  JJ_z | 09/06/05
Extensive software available for processing  jorwell | 09/05/05
Ill thought out and inconsistent  jorwell | 09/05/05
Who says that XML by itself is self-describing  JJ_z | 09/06/05
Oh dear, a lot of people get the bullet.  jorwell | 09/06/05
Small correction  jorwell | 09/06/05
But you're still thinking Relational first  JJ_z | 09/06/05
No, you are wrong  jorwell | 09/06/05
Not worth responding  spamagnet | 09/06/05
Where did I say that?  george_ou | 09/06/05
Sounded that way to me...  spamagnet | 09/07/05
Point of the Article?  ksfiles | 09/07/05
Simple alternative  jmiller@... | 09/07/05
Ignorance  thammr | 09/07/05
HTML != XML  george_ou | 09/07/05
Wrong...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/08/05
Sorry, but resources are the most expensive part of I/T  George Jay | 09/07/05
Server storage not so cheap, and what about bandwidth?  george_ou | 09/07/05
You also obviously...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/07/05
Don't get me wrong ...  George Jay | 09/11/05
Yeah, it's called CSV  george_ou | 02/26/06
You've obviously...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/07/05
Assumptions, assumptions....  solyom@... | 09/08/05
You misunderstand...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/08/05
Duh  InfoManager | 09/08/05
You don't understand RDBMS  jorwell | 09/09/05
The REAL importance and USE of XML  maliadavid@... | 09/09/05
A bloated protocol  __howard__ | 09/10/05

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