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Windows programmers would have to learn how to code
So what if Microsoft are a "de facto" standard? The rest of the coding world - especially in projects that matter - prefer to adhere to world wide technical standards. ANSI C. for, example. The biggest task faced by Windows programmers stems from the fact that Microsoft programming language syntaxes have been deliberately corrupted by Redmond into Microsoft-only dialects. If you want to see looks of pure confusion, hang around any team porting Windows apps to any other platform. It's a shock to Microsoft programmes when bloated, inefficient code isn't acceptable. It's a shock when standard library functions in properly standardised language don't behave like bastardised Windows functions. The one and only time I had to write code that was compiled with a Microsoft compiler, said non-standard Microsoft compiler "optimised" away an essential right shift operation with an "equivalent" and the embedded system crashed and crashed and crashed. When the source code is correct and its a non-standard compiler which is introducing the errors, you KNOW you're using a noddy Operating System.
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Windows programmers would have to learn how to code  whisperycat | 05/03/05
We know which language is correct.  Anton Philidor | 05/03/05
I'd picture it more like english slang  voska | 05/03/05
What is the "proper language"?  Anton Philidor | 05/03/05
I think you nailed it  voska | 05/03/05
Windows isn't a realm.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 05/03/05
I don't think a Frenchman would be surprised...  figgle | 05/04/05
That may be because...  Spoon Jabber | 05/04/05
And all of that matters in what way?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Windows is NOT a standard!  Jeff Spicoli | 05/03/05
Windows is substandard. (nt)  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 05/03/05
Different Standards  JimSatterfieldW | 05/04/05
Desktops....  sbarringer@... | 05/04/05
You completely miss the point  d_jedi | 05/03/05
Re: You completely miss the point  frrossk | 05/04/05
Why don't you tell us why you say that?  eb276 | 05/04/05
There are other libraries to draw from  Michael Kelly | 05/04/05
Good answer  eb276 | 05/04/05
Proof  JimSatterfieldW | 05/04/05
It's about the most compelling platform  P. Douglas | 05/03/05
Actually...  Qbt | 05/03/05
Hmmm  In_the_end_I_Win | 05/03/05
Hmm yourself, it's simple economics  balsover | 05/03/05
Hollywood graphics  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
re: Hollywood graphics  balsover | 05/03/05
Linux in Hollywood...  figgle | 05/04/05
Simple economics...  sbarringer@... | 05/04/05
Wrong on Avalon vs. Aqua  morgande | 05/03/05
Another different similarity...  MacCanuck | 05/03/05
For now, please read the info in the link below  P. Douglas | 05/03/05
Relevant quote from the author  Richard Flude | 05/04/05
Why take six years?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Bingo  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
I am sorry to sound unexcited...  balsover | 05/03/05
Thinking within paradigm  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
As has been stated before by others  Linux User 147560 | 05/04/05
Windows is compelling all right.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 05/03/05
Amen brother!  Linux User 147560 | 05/04/05
Not being a programmer, I have to ask some questions.  Michael Kelly | 05/03/05
90%  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
good once again  Jeff Spicoli | 05/03/05
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
But there is one small problem  Linux User 147560 | 05/04/05
Doesn't seem true John  Spoon Jabber | 05/04/05
Clearing up some confusion  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
Thank you, but XP?!  Spoon Jabber | 05/05/05
Maybe it had something to do with what you did  Mark Miller | 05/05/05
Could be  Spoon Jabber | 05/05/05
Backward compatibility redux  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/04/05
You're exaggerating  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
Moving from Win32 to .NET has been going on for 4 years now  balsover | 05/03/05
Actually, they can!  JTrack3d | 05/03/05
Keep dreaming  Roger Ramjet | 05/03/05
You know nothing about Mono  balsover | 05/03/05
We've been making things easier for Windows developers for YEARS!  surak | 05/03/05
Too much is NOT a good thing?  Roger Ramjet | 05/03/05
Huh?  quietLee | 05/03/05
Hmmmm  Anton Philidor | 05/03/05
Rewriting apps  Anti_Zealot | 05/03/05
Sorta kinda toolsets are not an enticement  quietLee | 05/03/05
What's the advantage of .NET  voska | 05/03/05
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you  quietLee | 05/03/05
Even MS doesn't recommend .Net for games yet  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
Turing machine  Not average Joe | 05/03/05
Most C programmers can  balsover | 05/03/05
And I think that is the problem..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
I don't think that it is the problem  balsover | 05/03/05
Flip side of that one is  quietLee | 05/03/05
They all compile to intermediate languages  quietLee | 05/03/05
Interesting point  Roger Ramjet | 05/03/05
Please show us..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
You forgot a real point here  quietLee | 05/03/05
Good point  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Depends on point of view, I guess  quietLee | 05/03/05
IDEs ARE important  wolf_z | 05/03/05
Yes, they are  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Haven't heard that one before  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Re: Interesting point  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Consistency  Anti_Zealot | 05/03/05
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Re:  Anti_Zealot | 05/04/05
I don't think the different languages will go away  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
You are almost correct  balsover | 05/03/05
i have said it before  Power User | 05/03/05
Are you implying  Michael Kelly | 05/03/05
Yep it does  quietLee | 05/03/05
I understand that  Michael Kelly | 05/03/05
Can only offer a few clues, no real insight tho  quietLee | 05/03/05
The the funny thing, perception  voska | 05/03/05
Gospel truth.  balsover | 05/03/05
Re: Why copy Microsoft?  none none | 05/03/05
I don't agree.  SimEngie | 05/03/05
Simply not ture.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
I don't agree  voska | 05/03/05
I stand corrected.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
And you know this...how?  Chad_z | 05/03/05
Weel, that is certainly the opinion of the MINORITY.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Gamblers  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Hey Chad..a question.  Jeff Spicoli | 05/03/05
Try Perl  balsover | 05/03/05
thanks dude  Jeff Spicoli | 05/03/05
In your Linux environment  balsover | 05/03/05
C/C++ and Java  Linux User 147560 | 05/03/05
Bjourne would not like that one at all  quietLee | 05/03/05
The intent  Linux User 147560 | 05/04/05
I disagree..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
Really, what are they?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Plenty, check sourceforge  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
I see your mistake.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Badly-run companies  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
And I see your mistake..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
Not even close Yagotta...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Nice try at an insult...  Patrick Jones | 05/04/05
What is the elephant?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Congratulations, John  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
A problem not unknown to Microsoft.  Anton Philidor | 05/03/05
The difference is  Michael Kelly | 05/03/05
3 million developers using .Net...  Anton Philidor | 05/03/05
Not to question your number, but  Michael Kelly | 05/03/05
Some people use both  balsover | 05/03/05
Depends  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
I don't agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Of course not  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
You're both wrong  George Jay | 05/05/05
If Joe code writer can...  MepisLINUXuser | 05/03/05
Oh, he "argued", but then he "ignored"  CobraA1 | 05/03/05
Quality vs Abundance  Harry Bardal | 05/03/05
John does not provide a sufficient argument here  Root User | 05/03/05
The reason it could matter...  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
John, one thing you left out and that is the knowledge base.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Good point  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
You just explained...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Domain knowledge  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
I completely agree.  CobraA1 | 05/04/05
Well, not really ...  George Jay | 05/04/05
I agree  Mark Miller | 05/04/05
True to a small extent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Make what out to be?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
[C&C] BTW  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/03/05
Not to offend..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
Paper tigers  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
Re: Paper tigers  Root User | 05/03/05
Nope, I can't agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
Re: Nope, I can't agree.  Root User | 05/03/05
I agree, perception is everything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/03/05
On customers  voska | 05/04/05
Re: On Customers  Root User | 05/04/05
To fan the flames..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
Listen up children ... the Man is right on this one ...  George Mitchell | 05/03/05
Re: Da Man  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 05/03/05
I have always said..  Patrick Jones | 05/03/05
It is more likely...  balsover | 05/03/05
One API to rule them all?  jeremy_r_chappell | 05/03/05
Not 'one API' but one 'programming environment'  George Mitchell | 05/04/05
Yes they would  John Zern | 05/03/05
Advising Open Source again or advising Windows programmers.  John Le'Brecage | 05/03/05
You missed a bet  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/04/05
Thanks John, for getting me started.  aehill | 05/04/05
Sigh. Programmers are the problem.  HypnoToad | 05/04/05
Programmers are not the problem. Programs are.  mlevison | 05/04/05
College students taught to work in any domain. Can't change? Too bad.  CobraA1 | 05/04/05
Windows installed base is a bigger problem then Linux ever will be.  B.O.F.H. | 05/04/05
Open Source (Linux community) can't hear.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/04/05
No  Linux User 147560 | 05/04/05
YOU ARE RIGHT ON IT  Wagadonga | 05/04/05
Making the switch  Wenchismine | 05/04/05

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