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RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability
What if you created a document format and no one cared? You could call it ODF.
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RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  bobfastner | 05/19/09
Yup.  Sleeper Service | 05/19/09
What if you created a document format and no one cared?  storm14k | 05/19/09
Yes? And?  Sleeper Service | 05/19/09
And what....  storm14k | 05/19/09
Why did you bother to comment then?  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
lol...  TylerM89 | 05/19/09
Oh no you don't!  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
I care... This is sabotage  FanaticGeek | 05/21/09
Office 2007 user that has switched to Open Office  westea49 | 05/27/09
It wasn't easy...  zkiwi | 05/21/09
The only real standard document standard is PDF  Too Old For IT | 05/20/09
OpenOffice does  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
Editing PDF?  cwtryon | 05/20/09
You mean these guys?  sdunn2000@... | 05/20/09
The United States of America . . .  sporkfighter | 05/20/09
And they screamed...  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
All it takes . . .  sporkfighter | 05/22/09
You must admit that the standard is useless  NonZealot | 05/19/09
MS is "someone with an agenda"  T1Oracle | 05/19/09
If profit (or lack thereof) is an indicator...  rock06r | 05/20/09
Who cares  FanaticGeek | 05/21/09
What part of...  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
In Other Words...  CFWhitman | 05/20/09
It isn't a loophole  mdemuth | 05/20/09
OOo Extending the standard?  rfdparker2002 | 05/20/09
ODF 1.2 still not released  orcmid | 05/26/09
but OpenOffice works fine...  elliotg | 05/20/09
What!  wjgrimm | 05/20/09
What a load of bollox  An Old Man | 05/20/09
extend...  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
The old joke says it all...  bswiss | 05/22/09
Governments state ODF for one reason  putt1ck | 05/20/09
I'm from the government. I'm here to help...  TallTomD | 05/20/09
Excellent motto for MS  dfolk2 | 05/20/09
well said  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
I agree-it's a distraction by ODF  royalef | 05/20/09
Did you ever try Open Office?  FanaticGeek | 05/21/09
did you read your post?  clarnT | 05/20/09
Right  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
Right  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
MS originall wrote Active Directory to be LDAP compliant  I am Gorby | 05/20/09
Sorry, Mr. Allison. All you have written is  GuidingLight | 05/19/09
Short commings did you say GeldedLight?  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
New troll?  TylerM89 | 05/19/09
Hi Tyler.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
Misleading article  gnesterenko | 05/20/09
Microwave Dog  giantiago | 05/20/09
OOXML -- dead format walking?  Ole Man | 05/20/09
Notice that...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Badgered | 05/19/09
Microsoft had every chance to be a part of it ODF.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
....  Badgered | 05/20/09
ProTip: There is no balanced Microsoft opinion. (NT)  kozmcrae | 05/20/09
Again....  Badgered | 05/20/09
No need to try.  kozmcrae | 05/20/09
I suppose I did...  Badgered | 05/21/09
ProTip: Read the...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
Q-Tip...  Badgered | 05/21/09
The astroturfing has begun  kmcgregor-cow | 05/19/09
Sounds like a great idea!  NonZealot | 05/19/09
Of course there is: When in doubt, make the compatible choice.  Zogg | 05/19/09
So when is OpenOffice...  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
You completely miss Jeremy's point  Michael Kelly | 05/19/09
Exactly  gnesterenko | 05/20/09
Amen  WATKINS12@... | 05/20/09
It IS perfectly okay  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
Are you kidding...?  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
What is right for the customer?  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Why have standards?  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 05/21/09
And the difference is  xXSpeedzXx | 05/19/09
You're making it too complicated  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
Explained  PCLinuxOS(user) | 05/19/09
Wow....you're pretty dumb...  storm14k | 05/19/09
The Internet is based on this concept  daengbo | 05/20/09
Spreadsheet formulas are a corner case?  NonZealot | 05/22/09
Best for customers vs. best for business  frgough | 05/19/09
re: Best for customers vs. best for business  none none | 05/19/09
True only in a competitive market  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
Why didn't I think of that?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
or how about....  storm14k | 05/19/09
It can very well be best for the business....  storm14k | 05/19/09
He's actually right in one sense  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
It doesn't work that way...  storm14k | 05/19/09
That very attitude is the problem  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
Wow!  zdnet-gregc | 05/20/09
I'm just glad..  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
"What's good for General Bullmoose...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
True . . .  sporkfighter | 05/22/09
So, what is it you're suggesting?  MGP2 | 05/19/09
False dilemma  kmcgregor-cow | 05/19/09
They DON'T interoperate well; that's the point  easson | 05/19/09
Keep on flinging out the red herrings...  zkiwi | 05/20/09
Ya gotta love the union example  frgough | 05/19/09
re: Ya gotta love the union example  none none | 05/19/09
Not necessarily  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
SO consumers should have to pay $700  xXSpeedzXx | 05/19/09
Yes  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
Small price to pay for  xXSpeedzXx | 05/19/09
Not for Grandma  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
Get that stuff into a bottle LD.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
WordPad, for SURE!  wjgrimm | 05/20/09
$700?  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 05/21/09
Well, a thinking person would have looked at...  zkiwi | 05/21/09
Office 2007 Prices (and other thoughts)  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 05/21/09
Hmm. 3 out of 10 for troll-quality.  nizuse | 05/19/09
Stalker  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
Still a 3 LD.  nizuse | 05/19/09
HAHAHAHHA!  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
Actually,  nizuse | 05/20/09
Problem solved?  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
Haven't noticed that, no.  Loverock Davidson | 05/19/09
Haven't noticed?  kozmcrae | 05/20/09
Don't make me laugh too hard.  wjgrimm | 05/20/09
Beware when you reboot that puppy  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
Good for Microsoft - More power to them  croberts | 05/19/09
I hate to break it to you..  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
But when they don't follow...  Erroneous | 05/19/09
Not exactly...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
Sorry but no.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Meant Opera. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Minor point: you can edit your own posts here.  B.O.F.H. | 05/19/09
I see they let you have your keyboard back Ax.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
I hate to break it to YOU!  easson | 05/19/09
Still no excuse.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Then one could argue  GuidingLight | 05/19/09
ODF was Definitely not Designed for Interoperability with Microsoft Office  easson | 05/19/09
Sun? I think you mean Microsoft!  maggietoo9 | 05/20/09
Re: Definitely not Designed for Interoperability with Microsoft Office  Still Lynn | 05/21/09
How could you argue that ?  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Obvious answer  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
Some more hsitory for you...  easson | 05/19/09
@easson  fr0thy2 | 05/20/09
If one is committed to looking foolish ...  Still Lynn | 05/21/09
"besmirches Microsoft's reputation and capabilities"  kozmcrae | 05/22/09
Why should Microsoft be in charge of making the standards.  kozmcrae | 05/22/09
re: I hate to break it to YOU!  none none | 05/19/09
Swiss Cheese  gary_edwards | 05/19/09
Driving through holes: Optional  kmcgregor-cow | 05/19/09
You don't need to guess at the approach Microsoft took  easson | 05/19/09
Marketing vs. Reality  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
Have you actually ever read the standard?  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Certainly  easson | 05/19/09
Some of the people commenting here...  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
Don't use their product  osreinstall | 05/19/09
The honest thing to do...  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
But OOXML...  storm14k | 05/19/09
EU comission and DoJ must amend ODF  Linux Geek | 05/19/09
Clue for ya, ODF doesn't work in Open Office  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
????  Linux Geek | 05/19/09
That is like saying....  Erroneous | 05/19/09
convicted monopolists should conform to the standard  Linux Geek | 05/19/09
They are conforming to...  Erroneous | 05/19/09
Did they...  Tony Agudo | 05/19/09
Is it documented somewhere?  storm14k | 05/19/09
Wrong NoAxe. OFD works fine in OO.  nizuse | 05/19/09
Sory guys, OpenOffcie 3 FAILS  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Again, do the work NoAxe (& ps title???)  nizuse | 05/19/09
Your information is what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Oh I'm dealing with it - by exposing you,  nizuse | 05/19/09
NoAxe is right  kyron.gustafson@... | 05/20/09
Microsoft now attempt to fragment ODF  Ole Man | 05/20/09
dufuss  zzz1234567890 | 05/19/09
So...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
Inferring intentions  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
Standard practice?  DevStar | 05/19/09
MS had to go out their way to break interoperability. Again.  Letophoro | 05/19/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  techboy_z | 05/19/09
Offtopic but...  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Offtopic but...  meelder | 05/19/09
Right. And why we cannot  GuidingLight | 05/19/09
re: Right. And why we cannot  none none | 05/19/09
In Regard to Unions  xXSpeedzXx | 05/19/09
Billy Bragg  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Thanks for the link.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
There's always 2 sides  colinnwn | 05/20/09
Five steps forward, one step back  bran.murray | 05/19/09
For all the astroturfers  Tony Agudo | 05/19/09
What was Microsoft's goal? Compliance or Interop?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Which is why  Michael Kelly | 05/19/09
Not possible to fix in a standards doc.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
However *this* problem seems quite fixable  Michael Kelly | 05/19/09
They're already back on the drawing board  Tony Agudo | 05/19/09
I agree. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Good point, but not complete.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
You need to learn a few facts, Jeremy  easson | 05/19/09
Not relevent.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
How to win friends and influence people...  MGP2 | 05/19/09
You miss the point Jeremy...  DevStar | 05/19/09
So say you're in the midst of a lawsuit  Michael Kelly | 05/19/09
Huh?  DevStar | 05/19/09
Lame Article, Lame Responses  kyron.gustafson@... | 05/20/09
Standards do NOT impede innovation  webmaestro | 05/20/09
File Formats should not be governed by standards!  kyron.gustafson@... | 05/20/09
Standards impede Innovation?  cwtryon | 05/20/09
Are you just making this up?  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
No  easson | 05/19/09
Easy to prove  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
"None accepted"?  cwtryon | 05/20/09
speaking of making things up  Doug Mahugh | 05/25/09
Not only, but also...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
It has  easson | 05/19/09
Well...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
Rob Weir is commenting in these threads.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
I kinda knew that...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
Someone needs to get to work  san-andreas | 05/20/09
Yes, I wonder..........  Ole Man | 05/20/09
I understand where your coming from on this but...  Cayble | 05/19/09
Microsoft have a broader constituancy to consider.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
ODF is important. So What Went Wrong?  gary_edwards | 05/20/09
Hey Gary.  kozmcrae | 05/20/09
Edit Magic  gary_edwards | 05/21/09
Changing your tune ?  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
Money makes the world go round  Ole Man | 05/20/09
ODF is sufficient, but not interoperable  gary_edwards | 05/21/09
Microsoft did shoot themselves in the foot  michiel cornou | 05/20/09
Here is what is not complete.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
As I have told you before.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
re: What was Microsoft's goal? Compliance or Interop?  none none | 05/19/09
Did you have a point at all?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Easiest way for children to annoy their parents is...  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
I would have a ....  Erroneous | 05/19/09
We aren't raising children  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
In which case...  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
Another way of putting it would be...  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
So what you're telling us is ...  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
You have it backwards, OpenOffie should switch to OOXML  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Largest installed base?  NetArch. | 05/19/09
No ODF macros either  orcmid | 05/26/09
Largest installed base?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/20/09
What was the customers goal?  storm14k | 05/19/09
Not happening...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Still the blunt side of the axe, I see  Monkey_MCSE | 05/20/09
Good point.  nizuse | 05/19/09
Grow up and Man up  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
Tsk tsk (and about that Powerpoint book?)  nizuse | 05/19/09
Man up, you know how don't you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
To answer your question:  nizuse | 05/19/09
No_Ax_to_Grind must not be very proud of his book/work.  B.O.F.H. | 05/19/09
Lol yeah - that must be it  nizuse | 05/19/09
What was Microsoft's goal?  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
Of course Microsoft are sabotaging interoperability, d'ohh!  whisperycat | 05/19/09
Office SP2 is compliant with the standard; others aren't  easson | 05/19/09
You do realize how ridiculous you're making Microsoft look here ?  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
You didn't respond to my points  easson | 05/19/09
To drive the point even further  Tony Agudo | 05/19/09
"and support for industry standards."  Erroneous | 05/19/09
I'm reminded...  rapson | 05/19/09
LOL!  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 05/21/09
But you realize...  DevStar | 05/19/09
Poor old Microsoft... sob sniffle sniff!  Ole Man | 05/20/09
Corrected  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/19/09
You continue to just make stuff up  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Nothing made up  easson | 05/19/09
Credibility  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
re: Credibility  easson | 05/19/09
Who at Microsoft is backing up your comments?  B.O.F.H. | 05/19/09
Doug Mahugh  easson | 05/19/09
You're the one trotting out conformance...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
You made nothing up?  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
If it's not in the spec...  wolf_z | 05/19/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Why Is the Translator Better?  orcmid | 05/26/09
On the other hand...  John L. Ries | 05/19/09
A Better Blog than Jeremy's on this Issue  easson | 05/19/09
Interesting diagram.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Strawman  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
More nonsense from Mr. "I demand you abide by my ideology"  markbn | 05/19/09
INDEED, if it was real, OpenOffice would use OOXML  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
OOXML is a pig, more bloated than the XML format in Office 2003.  B.O.F.H. | 05/19/09
OOXML 'IS' bloated--why then is ODF interop expected to be simple?  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
Microsoft playing nice with Samba?  zkiwi | 05/21/09
Re: INDEED, if it was real, OpenOffice would use OOXML  Still Lynn | 05/21/09
The post was by Jeremy Allison...  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
Good article  dfolk2 | 05/19/09
This is spin designed to preempt discussion of the real issue  honeymonster | 05/19/09
This is history repeating itself  dfolk2 | 05/19/09
Allison must address honeymonster's comment or resign  pupkin_z | 05/19/09
You guys are really hurting.  kozmcrae | 05/19/09
no meaning  pupkin_z | 05/20/09
You guys never fail to entertain me.  kozmcrae | 05/20/09
Give them some more rope  Ole Man | 05/20/09
The method will be lethal injection.  kozmcrae | 05/21/09
Right on  ITLeader | 05/19/09
But Microsoft doesn't implement OOXML  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Besides the point  honeymonster | 05/19/09
How can I ...?  TripleII | 05/19/09
The true non-interop is open source. (OpenOffice)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/09
beat that dead horse Axe  Monkey_MCSE | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Rob Weir | 05/19/09
Strawman  honeymonster | 05/19/09
Strawman with a great deal of flesh  dfolk2 | 05/20/09
Not an ambiguity  Earthling2 | 05/21/09
In MS' words.  BorgX | 05/19/09
re: In MS's Words  easson | 05/20/09
The standard is garbage ...  dkawalec | 05/19/09
You can't close them all.  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
You keep missing the point...  DevStar | 05/19/09
Utterly ridiculous statement !  JeremyAllison | 05/19/09
Wrong...  DevStar | 05/19/09
And yet...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
Well put  dfolk2 | 05/20/09
They took too damn long  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
And the fallout...  zkiwi | 05/20/09
But it's a strawman and a poor analogy, Jeremy  honeymonster | 05/19/09
I call bulls**t ...  dkawalec | 05/20/09
well said  zzz1234567890 | 05/19/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  lightweight | 05/19/09
I hadn't heard that POSIX story before  roaming | 05/19/09
Well, now that you know...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
"If that's true" ? True for NT3.x through NT4.0  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
Yup, SFU and SUA still alive and well  orcmid | 05/26/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Tony Agudo | 05/19/09
And you didn't even notice the spin?  honeymonster | 05/19/09
So you're defending Microsoft's position...  Tony Agudo | 05/20/09
Standards for Office internals a bad idea in the first place  Patanjali | 05/19/09
I'm sorry...  zkiwi | 05/19/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Mr.Gonzo | 05/20/09
Cry us a river, Jeremy?  Scrat | 05/20/09
Thanks for the bug report happy.  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
So there you have it, folks  whisperycat | 05/20/09
Have they?  Average-IT-Guy | 05/20/09
I don't care  chuckbalkn | 05/20/09
Long term you'll probably need to care.  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
That's below you  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
Ah well...  zkiwi | 05/20/09
From starter.  magallanes | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Khyron | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  Cosmic1 | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  rocaro@... | 05/20/09
Another reason why I am changing to OpenOffice  johnnydoe1894 | 05/20/09
Dude.  Average-IT-Guy | 05/20/09
The real issue  odcchaz | 05/20/09
Your Data is _not_ Yours, Its MSs  reedmb@... | 05/20/09
Sorry.  Average-IT-Guy | 05/20/09
Re: Sorry  reedmb@... | 05/20/09
Visual J , anyone?  chas_2 | 05/20/09
So Excel doesn't work. What about Word, PowerPoint and Access?  bran.murray | 05/20/09
Word and PowerPoint do Fine  easson | 05/20/09
Is there a an ODF equivalent for not being able to calculate a leap year?  whisperycat | 05/20/09
Leap year issues  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
So...  zkiwi | 05/20/09
Just goes to show  Ole Man | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  psion@... | 05/20/09
Standards and interoperability  msilver@... | 05/20/09
That is naive  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
Thanks...  zkiwi | 05/20/09
Standards...we don't need no stinkin standards!  readwryt@... | 05/20/09
My Favorite Part  mthyer | 05/20/09
no news here  mswift@... | 05/20/09
ODF championed by whom?  blarman_z | 05/20/09
Lost the plot....  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
Standards Creation in 3 Easy Steps  Too Old For IT | 05/20/09
Rob Weir and <P>  Earthling2 | 05/20/09
What MSFT does is truly irrelevant  schmandel@... | 05/20/09
Relevance comes later  Earthling2 | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  cwtryon | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  cyfaill | 05/20/09
What about ODF 1.2?  cwtryon | 05/20/09
The Current version is 1.0  easson | 05/20/09
Typo: I meant 1.1  easson | 05/20/09
Uh, 1.0 and 1.1 mostly the same  orcmid | 05/26/09
Sigh  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
ODF 1.2  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 05/22/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  chromeronin | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  janvl | 05/20/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  phatkat | 05/20/09
Let's hear it for Microsoft "Interoperablity"  whisperycat | 05/20/09
What demand, what marketplace  nmeyer67@... | 05/20/09
Of course microsoft knew exactly what they were doing!  chaz15 | 05/20/09
Bingo!  gary_edwards | 05/20/09
Excuse of the psychopath - blame the victim.  JeremyAllison | 05/20/09
There IS a higher court  Ole Man | 05/20/09
Typical spin  ITLeader | 05/21/09
Money makes the world go round  gary_edwards | 05/21/09
Methinks thou dost protest too much  Ole Man | 05/21/09
"....You Can't Handle The Truth"  gary_edwards | 06/01/09
"the walls of the Web" are "plastered" with truth  Ole Man | 06/01/09
Wake Up Call  gary_edwards | 06/04/09
Good night Microsoft!  Ole Man | 06/05/09
Silver Blaze: The dog that did not bark  gary_edwards | 06/09/09
Business must be mighty slow, Gary boy  Ole Man | 06/18/09
For the record:  gary_edwards | 06/11/09
I've had a chance to look these comments over a few times.  kozmcrae | 05/22/09
"DOS is not ready until Lotus wouldn't run"  csomole | 05/23/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  bb_apptix | 05/27/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  daves1646 | 06/17/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  gwreg4fge | 10/08/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  kagyhelen | 10/26/09
RE: In Office SP2, Microsoft manages to reduce interoperability  gwreg4fge | 11/03/09

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