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You're missing the point
We should not permit single point of failure networks to be built.

Besides, there's over 80 million miles of fiber in the U.S. alone, and it simply is not possible to monitor all that cable, or even the main lines. It's just not possible. Failover and redundancy are the solutions, not some fantastic surveillance network.

We have simply become too used to our super reliable routers and fiber cables. Gone are the days when down links were routine, failover was required and that has created a false sense of complacency.
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You're missing the point  Takalok | 04/10/09
Missing the Point  Olivetti Underwood | 04/10/09
No, I didn't miss the point  kd5jos | 04/10/09
The "big question"  Takalok | 04/11/09
The Big Quesion (about Manholes)  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
Security is an illusion...  Dave S2 | 04/10/09
Maybe that's all USA can afford  LBiege | 04/10/09
Your'e miising what point?  Recce1 | 04/10/09
phone skills, pen and paper  zmud | 04/10/09
For Some of Us  jsanko | 04/10/09
Phone skills?  raelalt | 04/10/09
Exactly...  i8thecat | 04/10/09
True  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Printing, cursive, keyboarding  deowll | 04/10/09
Printing,Cursive, and Keyboarding  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Cursive Writing  jsanko | 04/10/09
Cursive Writing, Printing, Whatever  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
John Ringo wrote a book about that.  914four | 04/14/09
Cursive writing  pickespu | 04/10/09
Whatever they use...  SFalchionRomantic | 04/13/09
Asian languages is a modern geeky study  Dave Keays | 05/04/09
get govs ahead of you  Dave Keays | 05/04/09
What a Plonker!  An Old Man | 04/11/09
Wow, you must really hate yourself now.  SFalchionRomantic | 04/13/09
you must be joking  werner2k_z | 04/10/09
Joking ?!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Dear partman1969.  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
Cursive Handwriting ...  rebrinsonmd@... | 04/12/09
And what about Karl Obama?  stano360 | 04/17/09
phone skills, pen and paper  unclefixer@... | 04/11/09
Thats a really worthwhile comment  jongunn@... | 04/13/09
We can't afford what we have  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Security Like Our Government  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Okay I suppose but...  deowll | 04/10/09
Butts Beaten.. What's That  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
The infrastructure is owned by corporations.  B.O.F.H. | 04/10/09
Depends where you live.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Some do live off the grid.  B.O.F.H. | 04/10/09
You mean like Oklahoma City?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/11/09
There are a few cities that may have had a reason to get their own.  B.O.F.H. | 04/12/09
Yeah, several hundred.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/12/09
So some cities (and even corporations) have paid for their own pipes.  B.O.F.H. | 04/12/09
RE: We can't afford what we have  dougbeer | 04/10/09
Government Spending !  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Please. take it somewhere else.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
All your points are futile  brianscook | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  mgolden | 04/10/09
that's why we need a Satellite Backbone  Rock Johny | 04/10/09
Satellite Backbone ?  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
I don't think so.  deowll | 04/10/09
I want some of what this guy is smoking.  *Gman* | 04/10/09
You are Smoking Stg Stronger  mejohnsn | 04/13/09
More fiber in your diet?  sborsher | 04/10/09
give free internet to volunteer watchdogs  Rock Johny | 04/10/09
Basic Skills?  Olivetti Underwood | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  rvrichardson@... | 04/10/09
But that is NOT a good idea!  mejohnsn | 04/13/09
Your life operates on a vein and a prayer  brad@... | 04/10/09
Could we afford boobytraps and a few janitors ???  i8thecat | 04/10/09
Your life operates on a vein and a prayer (Mk2)  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
good analogy  jongunn@... | 04/13/09
great analogy  Akumal | 04/14/09
Ideas  pcguy777 | 04/10/09
Redundancy - What a novel idea  gdavisva@... | 04/10/09
Redunant? That card is in the shop!  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
It's Okay..Obama Will Send A "Stern Warning"  itanalyst2@... | 04/10/09
LOL  James T. Kirk | 04/10/09
It still sticks in your craw, doesn't it?  ths40 | 04/10/09
Craw?--No.  MadWhiteHatter | 04/10/09
And George W. Bush & pals never violated the Constitution I suppose?  ths40 | 04/10/09
Acceptance HA !!!!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Wow.. what a total loser....  i8thecat | 04/10/09
Your nuts !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
WORST election EVER!!  williamacole@... | 04/10/09
The majority feels like the knife just got pulled out.  *Gman* | 04/10/09
Repubs. will never stop WHINING.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Independent Thinker!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Another one that can't accept reality.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Yep, He's Our President  itanalyst2@... | 04/10/09
REALLITY !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Hey Sparky...try decaf, would you?  IT_Guy_z | 04/10/09
Reality check,,, Obama IS the President, deal with it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
RE: The man is our President, deal with it.  dougbeer | 04/10/09
The problem lost on many  GuidingLight | 04/10/09
Someone Gets it !!!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Before You Criticize The Majority (Soild Majority)  windozefreak | 04/10/09
Republicans, Democrats, what's the difference?  dippleydokus | 04/10/09
RE Republicans, Democrats, what's the difference?  dougbeer | 04/10/09
Bush Did Lose It !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Maybe you and GuidingLight ought to think about getting married.  ths40 | 04/10/09
Your Statement.... ths40  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
That is an odd statement, ths40  GuidingLight | 04/10/09
RE: Repubs. will never stop WHINING  dougbeer | 04/10/09
Representation Equality  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
The difference is The Repubs Have no Idea why They Are  windozefreak | 04/10/09
You are full of drivel.  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Are You Happy? and Good Drugs!!!!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Ross Perot? LOL LOL...ROTFLMAO  ths40 | 04/10/09
Perot!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
You are hilarious.  ths40 | 04/10/09
Chain !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Aliens !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
deleted  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Not really  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/09
Very Good !!!!!!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
No...the "ignorant morons" were VOTED OUT.  ths40 | 04/10/09
Look at the polls!!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
No, We Are Not Dangerous...  windozefreak | 04/10/09
Funny !!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Yes, And They Were Replaced With Even More Ignorant Morons  itanalyst2@... | 04/10/09
Talkback 94 by itanalyst  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
No  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/09
Look at these rich GOP members  John Zern | 04/10/09
What Are You Smoking & How Much? (nt)  windozefreak | 04/10/09
Humor !  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
A more accurate representation of the political spectrum  williamacole@... | 04/10/09
....  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/09
The Articles of Confederation were REPLACED...  *Gman* | 04/10/09
RE: Not really; 'Watch this and learn'  dougbeer | 04/10/09
Spread it to as many as you can  Linux User 147560 | 04/10/09
Yes. Idiocy, worked up, obviously.  *Gman* | 04/10/09
A look  Linux User 147560 | 04/13/09
Not sure about that  deowll | 04/10/09
I'll be glad when he's gone!  cuba_pete@... | 04/10/09
Obama: stern warning  kcraven5890 | 04/10/09
At Least The French Do Something  itanalyst2@... | 04/10/09
We did do something - and Barry took credit  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
You are all a bunch of flaming idiots. Except No Axe.  *Gman* | 04/10/09
Obama will make sure....  Christian_<>< | 04/10/09
Obama' Stern Warning  unclefixer@... | 04/11/09
Time for a national hacksaw registry?  rsavage@... | 04/10/09
national hacksaw registry  ptv5 | 04/10/09
hacksaw???  txakura@... | 04/10/09
I saw a guy with a hacksaw...  cuba_pete@... | 04/10/09
Brady is working on that now  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  GHLatta5 | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  jcbick | 04/10/09
Why, yes. It IS Interesting  mejohnsn | 04/13/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  eglazier | 04/10/09
Costly but useless chart  benutzernahme | 04/10/09
Useless chart  ScouterDude | 04/10/09
In a word, redundancy  ca1ic0cat | 04/10/09
Re: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  GovOfOne | 04/10/09
DARPANET etc.  ptv5 | 04/10/09
DARPA was data  txakura@... | 04/10/09
Darpanet etc  Bacchus618 | 04/10/09
DARPANET?  williamacole@... | 04/10/09
Tell Me How You Know They Happen  windozefreak | 04/10/09
ARPANET was not built to withstand a nuke  Rock Johny | 04/10/09
Not acording to ARPANET  Linux User 147560 | 04/13/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Steven J. Ackerman | 04/10/09
Not only pipes and manholes  jgreff@... | 04/10/09
Interstates  mswift@... | 04/10/09
they need to lay a Counterfeit Network  Rock Johny | 04/10/09
Low Tech Terror  MSBassSinger | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Insight Driver | 04/10/09
We can fix it.  MadWhiteHatter | 04/10/09
Crime and Punishment  ogletree@... | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Cbudney | 04/10/09
You must be able to read minds.  MadWhiteHatter | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  MadWhiteHatter | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Rick_R | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  RanRicky | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  QD10 | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  gordon@... | 04/10/09
DUH  jsanko | 04/10/09
Why is this treated as a surprise?  kd5jos | 04/10/09
Partially AT&T's fault  t.burninator@... | 04/10/09
Loose  jsanko | 04/10/09
nice job...  cuba_pete@... | 04/10/09
The comment may seem a bit harsh, BUT...  *Gman* | 04/10/09
It's an American thing...  zkiwi | 04/11/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  wargammer2005 | 04/10/09
RE: RE: Our fancy Internet.....  bfilipiak@... | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  DaveMorris | 04/10/09
WHOA  kd5jos | 04/10/09
Knees  jsanko | 04/10/09
So much for reliability dreams  CobraA1 | 04/10/09
Redundency, redundency, redundency  SnoopDougEDoug | 04/10/09
And thus why putting operations in the "cloud" remains a dicey proposition  blu_vg@... | 04/10/09
I agree 100% The "cloud" isn't dependable at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Yes, And We Will Follow Your "Expert" Opinion  itanalyst2@... | 04/10/09
RE: Yes, and we will......  bfilipiak@... | 04/10/09
Not to worry little fella  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/10/09
Internet service  jsanko | 04/10/09
Internet service (Mk2)  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
Your issue is that you are too poor to afford a decent Intenet connection?  B.O.F.H. | 04/10/09
The big picture  LarryPTL | 04/10/09
Bir picture? Really?  *Gman* | 04/10/09
The big picture (Mk2)  elderlybloke | 04/11/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  stephenvb | 04/10/09
Satellite uplink  1101doc | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  rberman | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  starzbriter2003@... | 04/10/09
we are being probed  AtlantaTerry | 04/10/09
we are being probed  robertrosenthal | 04/10/09
Use the down time as a positive  marvls | 04/10/09
mandatory, twice daily, cavity searches!!  paulfox | 04/10/09
Well said!  williamacole@... | 04/10/09
Cavity Searches  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Take a lesson from Iraq  BrannenT | 04/10/09
Nothing a few Predator drones can't solve  ejhonda | 04/10/09
Hellfire Missiles  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  StarSniper | 04/10/09
So cloud computing might ultimately not be a good idea?  HypnoToad | 04/10/09
RE;So cloud computing might ultimately not be a good idea?  dougbeer | 04/10/09
Scaremonger  rhon@... | 04/10/09
You're advocating a police state.  techboy_z | 04/10/09
The Internet used to be...  bjbrock | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  brianscook | 04/10/09
That is an odd statement on your part  GuidingLight | 04/10/09
Homeland Security Graphic  Techknowledgie | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  tom@... | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  windozefreak | 04/10/09
Get Real!  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
As Stated Before  partman1969@... | 04/10/09
Securing our internet backbones  rogue007 | 04/10/09
Dreaming.  bjbrock | 04/11/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Gordon Tryon | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Gordon Tryon | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Jeff Hayes | 04/10/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  atari8bit@... | 04/10/09
What would extra security cost?  jscott418 | 04/11/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  sprocket2 | 04/11/09
NOT THAT BAD!  Loverrock Davidson | 04/11/09
I believe  Loverock Davidson | 04/12/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  boccabellad@... | 04/12/09
Ten fiber-optic cables were cut at four locations  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
ITanalyst-do you speak german?  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
This was for elderlybloke  stroutner@... | 04/12/09
was designed to survive a nuke  bklooste | 04/12/09
Primary issue here...  clindhartsen | 04/12/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  pizzaman7 | 04/13/09
dont have a cow  Altotus | 04/13/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Akumal | 04/14/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  Dave Keays | 05/04/09
RE: Our fancy Internet infrastructure operates on a wire and a prayer  dbarr@... | 05/06/09

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