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Jobs let the iPod's success get to his head
Lesson 3: The smartphone market is brutal.

In Apple?s other product groups?the Mac and iPod?the company commands a premium.

I've been saying all along that the cell phone market is a totally different market than what Jobs faced a few years ago in the DAP market. Back then, and even today, there is no advertising going on for any DAP. Apple invested wisely into marketing in order to foist an inferior product onto a gullible consumer base and the results speak for themselves.

If you look at every single other product that Apple sells, Apple does very poorly any time there is any real competition. Mac sales are a distant, distant, distant 4th, AppleTV isn't even a blip on the radar, and now we have the iPhone, a product that has totally failed to live up to even a fraction of its hype. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a lot of money from the Mac and from the iPhone but that is only because of foolish Apple zealots who would pay any amount for any product coming out of Cupertino. Once you get past that customer base though, Apple has had no success in any market with competent competition.
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Jobs let the iPod's success get to his head  NonZealot | 09/06/07
No one else makes laptops  Robertskz | 09/06/07
ipropoganda  Chippolus | 09/07/07
Yep, I've seen one  The_Curmudgeon | 09/08/07
Happy Campers get work done...  spacecase2 | 09/09/07
You said it.  xuniL_z | 09/10/07
Newton  nix_hed | 09/24/07
Windows is around  notsofast | 09/17/07
You wouldn't complain...  Chippolus | 09/19/07
I didn't know there was a Mac OX...heh.  nix_hed | 09/24/07
No one else makes laptops?  sy34010 | 09/07/07
it was sarcasm  mindilator@... | 09/20/07
Apple makes laptops??????????????  derekgore | 09/07/07
Bingo  Cayble | 09/07/07
easy  ethman42 | 09/07/07
Yeah right!  thx-1138_@... | 09/08/07
Addendum  thx-1138_@... | 09/08/07
Average Joe != you  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
Good point -  spacecase2 | 09/09/07
This will burn like acid in my mouth...  Chippolus | 09/10/07
A serious computer manufacturer?  timpin1@... | 09/16/07
Right! Right!  henrystahle@... | 09/17/07
Hold on a sec...  rousdaur | 09/19/07
Your busy these days Non  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/06/07
You are really a fact-free zone, aren't you?  mlindl | 09/07/07
You're thinking of the i*Pod*  bhartman33@... | 09/07/07
No, he is talking about the iPhone  frgough | 09/07/07
"Highest customer satisfaction of any cell phone product in history"  nighthawk808 | 09/07/07
Odd - experience is the best teacher...  ladyirol | 09/07/07
Don't try to confuse us with the facts...  TeacherManNJ | 09/08/07
Success isn't..  spacecase2 | 09/09/07
Being 4th (and growing) in computer sales is poor? NT  Non-Zealand | 09/07/07
4th and NOT growning...  Narg | 09/07/07
your wrong, they grow 30% faster. NT  Non-Zealand | 09/07/07
This is a load of crap   | 09/07/07
re: This is a load of crap  Badgered | 09/07/07
Did you read the specs -  spacecase2 | 09/09/07
Actually, I was referring  Badgered | 09/10/07
Delusional...  MacVet | 09/08/07
Too Soon 2 Tell  rickgerhart@... | 09/10/07
They are just computers.  lespeeb@... | 09/14/07
Persecute! Burn the Heretic!  Chippolus | 09/15/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  Classicone | 09/06/07
Anticipation is such a relative thing  flatliner | 09/10/07
Spreading myths and misinformation again.  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/06/07
Re: Spreading myths and misinformation again.  Scrat | 09/07/07
I know 2 iPhone owners  mlindl | 09/07/07
Well, I know 3 iPhone owners...  StephG72 | 09/07/07
Holy Crap!!!  TeacherManNJ | 09/08/07
Holy Crap!!!  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
More Mac Rumors?!?!  TeacherManNJ | 09/08/07
Already in line  Chippolus | 09/11/07
I know ZERO iphone owners  sackbut | 09/07/07
I know 1 iPhone user  shadowagent | 09/07/07
I know...  Amonra | 09/07/07
Excuse Me?  thx-1138_@... | 09/08/07
Pot, kettle, black  the_doge | 09/07/07
In that case, I present this  Badgered | 09/07/07
I don't care...  justanitguy | 09/07/07
Couldn't agree more  cblake@... | 09/07/07
Talked to Dell and Apple customers lately?  Resuna | 09/08/07
One thing...  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  D111 | 09/06/07
Absolutely right. Buying a gadget is not an investment.  YinToYourYang-22527499 | 09/06/07
Re:ZDNetandthe fuddamakers on these blogs are trying to embarrass customers  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/06/07
Not exactly  Badgered | 09/07/07
Don't get Precious...  thx-1138_@... | 09/08/07
That's NOT why they cut the price!  thigg | 09/07/07
re: That's NOT why they cut the price!  M.R. Kennedy | 09/07/07
Reason for cutting the price  internex@... | 09/09/07
This is not about winning over new customers  mlindl | 09/07/07
The snobbery outside the Apple community  mlindl | 09/07/07
Yes, leave mediocrity behind and come join the dark side of ...  Henrik Moller | 09/07/07
Well now  Badgered | 09/07/07
Normals are snobs...  Chippolus | 09/07/07
Nice!  Baddoggy2 | 09/07/07
That post made me LOL!  GSavage777 | 09/08/07
Thanks, My Friend...  Chippolus | 09/10/07
you've really lost your mind . . .  pete_w_flynn@... | 09/07/07
re: The snobbery outside the Apple community  M.R. Kennedy | 09/07/07
AAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG YOU'RE HILARIOUS  laura.b | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  ShadeTree | 09/07/07
Overcharging  frgough | 09/07/07
"Happy with" or just didn't know any better.... (NT)  Badgered | 09/07/07
What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  thomas.vaughan@... | 09/07/07
Well Done!  Baddoggy2 | 09/07/07
The $100 is a voucher of sorts  pritchet1 | 09/07/07
Buying opportunity, plain an simple  comp_indiana | 09/07/07
Huge cover up...  Mike Cox | 09/07/07
WHAT cover up?????  GoPaco | 09/07/07
Sucks for you  mmadink | 09/07/07
Darn you Mike Cox  Badgered | 09/07/07
re: Huge cover up...  M.R. Kennedy | 09/07/07
Nice - 9.5 (nt)  laura.b | 09/07/07
Oh yes...  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  OU8_12 | 09/07/07
Free with a plan  laura.b | 09/07/07
I thought it cost $600 (now $400) with a plan...  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
Not the iPhone, the Razr  laura.b | 09/10/07
EVEN STEVEN realized it was overpriced...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 09/07/07
"Let???s face it; Apple is more than a company. It???s a religion."  Tigertank | 09/07/07
Have you READ what MacFreaks post on here...?!  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
You must be new here.  Tigertank | 09/11/07
I think you need some time for reflection  xuniL_z | 09/10/07
OK troll,  Tigertank | 09/11/07
A new concept... Reality.  Chippolus | 09/12/07
get over yourself  Tigertank | 09/14/07
I missed it,?  Chippolus | 09/19/07
The Smartphone market is brutal  troytruax | 09/07/07
iPhone? iHype!  SteveMak | 09/07/07
It is already beating the 'smart' phones  comp_indiana | 09/07/07
Really?  cywelchjr | 09/07/07
Minority techonology-  laura.b | 09/07/07
On the iPhone...  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
THIS quarter-  justanitguy | 09/07/07
Oh Really?  thx-1138_@... | 09/09/07
typos  thx-1138_@... | 09/09/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  BryanJavor | 09/07/07
Jobs has no intention of 'overcoming' ...  mwagner@... | 09/07/07
Don't think so  RocketEater | 09/07/07
What are you talking about?  ShadeTree | 09/07/07
Ahem...!  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
Just a publicity stunt, iPhone bleeding edgers are whining good customers  comp_indiana | 09/07/07
I agree with you on most points  laura.b | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  berick | 09/07/07
Apple 9th in Laptop Market Share ( 5%)  NameRedacted | 09/07/07
Mac business  the_doge | 09/07/07
Problem with that theory  laura.b | 09/07/07
Apple got greedy ...  mwagner@... | 09/07/07
I Meant $100 CASH  berick | 09/07/07
It's just because of the high profile  jleroi | 09/07/07
Innovation in publicity, that's what I've learned  Non-Zealand | 09/07/07
Just "a few" Tv ads?  stano360 | 09/07/07
Right on the money.  Chippolus | 09/07/07
I live in LA  Non-Zealand | 09/07/07
re: I live in LA  M.R. Kennedy | 09/08/07
a few TV commercials where i live theres at least 1 per hr with that  SO.CAL Guy | 09/07/07
still this is a small campaign for a world wide product  Non-Zealand | 09/07/07
What "world-wide product"?  M.R. Kennedy | 09/08/07
Same here. Guess I need to move to LA.  Baddoggy2 | 09/07/07
Don't forget...  Chippolus | 09/12/07
The real revealing details  Narg | 09/07/07
He should have kept the money!!!  timmeh64 | 09/07/07
SAVE THE DRAMA FOR YOUR MAMA  BigFun | 09/07/07
Hey!!  justanitguy | 09/07/07
What is Apple doing?  Ken_z | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  phfwales@... | 09/07/07
lol...heehee...lol  GeoNorth | 09/09/07
Flame Each Other, But....  Mr_Wizard | 09/07/07
Quit whining!  Ron George | 09/07/07
Jobs is being reckless  mflemming@... | 09/07/07
I'm not so sure  josephmartins | 09/07/07
Still Waiting for My Apology  pvhastings | 09/07/07
On another note...  pvhastings | 09/07/07
Jobs, Gates, Apple, M$  Old Timer 8080 | 09/07/07
Over Priced, _HUGE_ profit margin,  ftbotsb | 09/07/07
4th = less than 7%  sy34010 | 09/07/07
The Apple Religion  divendra | 09/07/07
religion?  Hmmm. . . | 09/07/07
I like my Apple... so shoot me.  Amonra | 09/07/07
No  Badgered | 09/07/07
You are right, but...  Tigertank | 09/07/07
re: You are right but...  M.R. Kennedy | 09/08/07
Long winded response missed the entire point.  Tigertank | 09/11/07
Its called a per-capita ratio.  Chippolus | 09/12/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  ZombyWulf | 09/07/07
Texas Has Made an Appearance  pvhastings | 09/07/07
Doesn't speak for me in Houston  chas_2 | 09/07/07
I'd rather have a SNAPPLE...F*CK APPLE  dmorris001 | 09/08/07
RE: Unherd of?  notsofast | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  rmoore5@... | 09/07/07
Apple customers won't fall for this again  chas_2 | 09/07/07
This isn't new.  notsofast | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  fredblotnic | 09/07/07
Not worth the price.  rupaa62 | 09/07/07
No it doesn't.  notsofast | 09/07/07
No, this price drop is actually atypical  laura.b | 09/10/07
Still not anything to wow about  andywe1@... | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  Baddoggy2 | 09/07/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  dmorris001 | 09/07/07
You Forgot Lesson 4  michaelleo@... | 09/08/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  bgonetoo | 09/08/07
You mean 33% cheaper... math101 NT  GSavage777 | 09/08/07
RE: What Jobs' iApology reveals about the iPhone  anshu_sharma@... | 09/09/07
Apple is worthy of its following  3dtodd | 09/09/07
It's only jealousy if you actually WANT one, though  laura.b | 09/10/07
What the hell?  Chippolus | 09/11/07
RE: The Real Issue  EBathory | 09/10/07
I want to try a mac....  TimJr@... | 09/11/07
Apple's 'premium'  timpin1@... | 09/16/07
apple's computers  siddhu085@... | 09/17/07
The Value Gap  cquirke | 09/18/07
MS Weenies at it again!  Ziek_1 | 09/24/07

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