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Heat is a big problem: in any form factor. Besides the power supply and CPU the video card is becoming a cooling problem too - why I think the MiniMe is only using an ATi 9200. I installed an ATi 9800 Pro AIW about a month ago - the OEM heatsink and fan is a joke. GPU freeze became the norm (and seems fairly common with this board when kept stock) - so installed an Artic Cooling heatsink and fan so we'll see....

I've thought for some time now - why not break out the power supply, drives and video/sound away from the mobo? A wired connection from the PCI/AGP/PCIE connection to the circuit bus seems to me to be just as effecient whether or not it's on the board, or thru a cable. Unless distance from the device to the CPU is a limiting factor?; Posted by: quietLee Posted on: 01/27/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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The Revolution is coming Aerial | 01/27/05

Dream on... PA-ITGuy | 01/27/05

And now for the future... nucrash | 01/27/05

Time will tell... PA-ITGuy | 01/27/05

More Mac and Linux openMind | 01/27/05

Mine was a 1 year prediction PA-ITGuy | 01/27/05

It's all about the software Tommy Gun | 01/27/05

I think they get a much bigger hold on the consumer market. CaptainHowdy | 01/27/05

I will stand by my prediction. nucrash | 01/27/05

Users or sales? Anton Philidor | 01/27/05

I'm thinking as it stands right now with Apple mind Laff | 01/27/05

Users, not sales. openMind | 01/27/05

Agreed Jeff Spicoli | 01/27/05

cost -vs- useage DarbyOhara | 01/27/05

re: cost -vs- useage richdave | 01/28/05

Whatever yu bin smokin'...better lay off it! Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/27/05

Yeah...that's the plan to get rid of excess parts right! Laff | 01/27/05

RE: SFF JakAttak | 01/27/05

Mini MAC still the copier ShadeTree | 01/27/05

TOO COOL!!!!! voska | 01/28/05

not really doh123 | 01/28/05

Ummm frgough@... | 01/28/05

the mini mac is huge! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Dell has already tried to copy the iMac alterego_z | 01/27/05

Boy, are you late to the party quietLee | 01/27/05

Not quite true tic swayback | 01/27/05

Clarification quietLee | 01/27/05

The Mini might be just what I'm looking for voska | 01/27/05

As an alternative to Myth TV tic swayback | 01/27/05

Thought about it voska | 01/28/05

You wish Joe Blow_z | 01/27/05

You pay for what you get Joshua53077 | 01/27/05

For what? seosamh_z | 01/27/05

Don't forget tic swayback | 01/27/05

But look what you get for less then upgrading... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Revolution vorostatz | 08/25/06

Soon OSX will replace Windows EVERYWHERE!!! Windows will disappear for good Jeff Spicoli | 01/27/05

Ha! And Jeff has been called a "Linux zealot". Linux_Developer | 01/27/05

Guess what vorostatz | 08/25/06

The trouble with PC buyers is.... Jomo_z | 01/27/05

Heat is a big problem quietLee | 01/27/05

Stackable PCs Jomo_z | 01/27/05

ATi 9200 is nice and quiet (fanless) hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Great idea openMind | 01/27/05

It's out there jheine | 01/27/05

x86 guddowiru@... | 01/28/05

I hope the Mac mini sell well... rkadowns | 01/27/05

Just goes to show the influence tiny Apple has on the industry. dave95 | 01/27/05

How wrong can you be? ShadeTree | 01/27/05

How ironic can it be? MacCanuck | 01/27/05

It is usually in response... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Don't confuse invention with innovation tic swayback | 01/27/05

Nice post NonZealot | 01/27/05

I don't think you can judge success in how long you have been arround. ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Revenue != Profit aristotles | 01/27/05

LOL So true voska | 01/28/05

Innovation RicD_ | 01/29/05

Nice rkadowns | 01/27/05

Shade, you are wrong here tic swayback | 01/27/05

Hold on a minute wolfman@... | 01/31/05

Wrong Shade dave95 | 01/27/05

Not so Tic, ShadeTree | 01/27/05

I don't agree. rkadowns | 01/27/05

Some differences and corrections tic swayback | 01/27/05

Wow Shade dave95 | 01/27/05

even the naturally cooled miniITX PCs are too big hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Just for fun ShadeTree | 01/27/05

That was fun (nt) rkadowns | 01/27/05

I know I am saying a dirty word.. Patrick Jones | 01/27/05

Intel Extreme = pretty much no 3d capability hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Yes.. Patrick Jones | 01/27/05

Good design is not that easy tic swayback | 01/27/05

Oh Pleeeeze! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression tic swayback | 01/27/05

Add in these too tic swayback | 01/27/05

Lest we forget the mouse we're using Len Rooney | 01/27/05

Actually thank Xerox... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Stole or paid for a basic concept then expaned upon it? tic swayback | 01/27/05

Actually thank Xerox - not bgoss@... | 01/27/05

"Don't try to paint them (Apple) as thieves" MacCanuck | 01/27/05

Say what you want ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Credibility is shrinking Shad dave95 | 01/27/05

RE: dave95 ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Now you're getting silly Shade tic swayback | 01/27/05

OK I did the work Shade dave95 | 01/27/05

What part of your own link do you not understand. ShadeTree | 01/27/05

XPARC certainly played an inspirational role tic swayback | 01/27/05

Shade - if that response were for me.... dave95 | 01/28/05

There was not stealing involved voska | 01/28/05

So slashdot is wrong again! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Wrong again tic swayback | 01/27/05

Selective and kneejerk criticism MacCanuck | 01/27/05

Corrections nucrash | 01/27/05

No one is claiming invention here tic swayback | 01/27/05

Innovation is not inventing voska | 01/28/05

OK Shade I want to pin you down on something... Laff | 01/27/05

It will take more... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Well I was thiinking of over the period of a year. Laff | 01/27/05

How about we wait till they publish... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

It's looking mighty good though tic swayback | 01/27/05

Amazon is not a huge desktop channel... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Yeah, but the cultists order immediately and directly from Apple tic swayback | 01/27/05

Oh Pleeeeze! do a comparison shadetree as i have chalenged all you johnpall@... | 02/01/05

and usually lasts a bit longer seosamh_z | 01/27/05

Staying power tic swayback | 01/27/05

Computers are meant not to be seen NonZealot | 01/27/05

Why couldn't you hide your Mini? tic swayback | 01/27/05

Was waiting for that reply NonZealot | 01/27/05

Good response tic swayback | 01/27/05

Yes, I was waiting for that reply MacCanuck | 01/27/05

Sorry, no name change here NonZealot | 01/27/05

They needed rkadowns | 01/27/05

Is clockspeed an illusion of speed? aristotles | 01/27/05

iMac G5 rkadowns | 01/27/05

You can't get a... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Yep rkadowns | 01/27/05

I stand corrected but... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Installation in a Mini tic swayback | 01/27/05

I have one in mine, Shade mlindl | 01/27/05

RE: mlindl ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Arrogance frgough@... | 01/28/05

Yeah well wait for this reply a 1.25 ghz Mac is about johnpall@... | 02/01/05

However "IF" a computer has both form and function Laff | 01/27/05

I think I covered this NonZealot | 01/27/05

If you take a look at the guts of the Mac mini mlindl | 01/27/05

Form not Function PA-ITGuy | 01/27/05

That's a different function tic swayback | 01/27/05

Re: That's a different function PA-ITGuy | 01/28/05

I think they had multiple goals tic swayback | 01/28/05

Re Multiple Goals PA-ITGuy | 01/28/05

But using larger parts wouldn't fit their long term goal tic swayback | 01/28/05

RE: If you take a look at the guts of the Mac mini richdave | 01/28/05

But also more difficult/intimidating tic swayback | 01/28/05

If you just want form and function and price is no object ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Sorry, Wintel machines are overpriced tic swayback | 01/27/05

Actually Windows XP... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

It was indeed a joke tic swayback | 01/28/05

About the same as .... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

re: entry level JakAttak | 01/27/05

Mini is touted as entry level for all NonZealot | 01/27/05

Yes it does Linux User 147560 | 01/27/05

Fair enough NonZealot | 01/27/05

Who is copying who? ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Copying or improving upon? tic swayback | 01/27/05

RE: Who is copying who? JakAttak | 01/27/05

Merely an example... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Not invented, just made it better (and cheaper apparently) tic swayback | 01/27/05

No it doesn't make them rip off artists... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

I think the problem is dave95 | 01/27/05

Exactly right Shade, that's why they were innovators in that case tic swayback | 01/27/05

Try this for innovation ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Certainly interesting Shade, but... tic swayback | 01/27/05

So when Apple comes out with a plain jane... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

Whoa, slow down there buddy tic swayback | 01/28/05

You just can't admit that people other then Apple make great products! ShadeTree | 01/28/05

I can admit lots of things tic swayback | 01/28/05

miniMac innovative? Joe Blow_z | 01/27/05

Get your facts straight Joshua53077 | 01/27/05

I hope you're joking... phorvath2110 | 01/27/05

I bet you pipped up on the iPod as well Len Rooney | 01/27/05

Either you're uninformed or Trolling el1jones | 01/27/05

How about a Compaq with a whole lot more! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

actually it hasn't hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

You obviously have no clue! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Didn't bother to check the hardware Shade? bgoss@... | 01/28/05

hipparchus2000 has got it right , good points need to be repeated johnpall@... | 01/31/05

hipparchus2000 has got it right , SORRY thats was a Compaq johnpall@... | 01/31/05

not necessarily mtekk | 01/27/05

not necessarily ,G4 500 more powerful than your PIII 866 johnpall@... | 01/31/05

You're wrong chill633 | 01/27/05

As it happens every time theo_durcan | 01/27/05

Sales must be slow Ken_z | 01/27/05

Yep, been happening for years! UncleBubba | 01/27/05

Let's not forget the Death Knell Counter dave95 | 01/27/05

Yeah all those products sold like crazy! ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Favourite H.L. Mencken quote... MacCanuck | 01/27/05

How about a pure value comparison ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Beauty (and value) is in the eye of the beholder... MacCanuck | 01/28/05

I am happy for you ... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

As well you should be MacCanuck | 01/28/05

and have you added up what your paying for all the johnpall@... | 02/01/05

PC's fly off the shelf at a rate 48 times faster johnpall@... | 01/31/05

Dell: Beware the Beige-Box Blahs (Read this PC heads) johnpall@... | 01/31/05

XPC already is here skw_z | 01/27/05

Cube was here long before dave95 | 01/27/05

actually the shuttle is massive compared to the mac mini hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Try this one for size ShadeTree | 01/27/05

I suppose you forgot this "PRICED AROUND 2000 USD " AND ITS VAPOURWARE hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

It's released ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Only out in Japan, sorry tic swayback | 01/27/05

Can you spell Ebay! ShadeTree | 01/28/05

Can you spell potential scam tic swayback | 01/28/05

Actually PayPal guarantees the transaction... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

I trust PayPal even less... tic swayback | 01/28/05

Innovative? Yes. Useful? No. buddhistMonkey | 01/27/05

So when Apple comes out with a plain jane... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

It is possible to be both innovative and impractical tic swayback | 01/28/05

I know it is possible I have seen the Apple line! ShadeTree | 01/28/05

Be more specific tic swayback | 01/28/05

abject failure buddhistMonkey | 01/30/05

Assembly required? loubara | 01/28/05

Of course it will... BitTwiddler | 01/27/05

Dumbest idea ever! Roger Ramjet | 01/27/05

So when Apple does it... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Not what I meant Roger Ramjet | 01/27/05

So what you're saying is it might not be for _you_... BitTwiddler | 01/27/05

Not what I'm saying Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05

just like laptops, Playstation2s, Playstation3s, Xboxes, Xbox2s hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Non commodities Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05

Think about it for a sec. rkadowns | 01/27/05

Non-commodity pricing Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05

"proprietary peripherals" rkadowns | 01/28/05

Good Question Roger Ramjet | 01/31/05

Think about notebooks j.m.galvin | 01/27/05

No alternatives Roger Ramjet | 01/28/05

The whole box is the commodity hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05

Boldata Mini PC 3733thnkr | 01/27/05

Before you plunk down that cash ShadeTree | 01/27/05

yes go ahead get a big noisy fat PC with absolutely no 3d capability hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

Better 3D then the Mini Mac ShadeTree | 01/27/05

RE: yes go ahead get a big noisy fat PC with absolutely no 3d capability richdave | 01/28/05

the linked system has integrated SHARED MEMORY video hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05

Shared memory video is that all that bad Mectron | 01/31/05

Or there is always ShadeTree | 01/27/05

and the $2000 vapourware machine hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

First of all... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

They're out, if you live in Japan tic swayback | 01/27/05

Follow the Link ShadeTree | 01/28/05

But only follow it if you have faith in your fellow man tic swayback | 01/28/05

EEWWW...It has windows LazLong | 01/27/05

Windows unloads and then you can... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

No Windows Tax, No Refund No way..... LazLong | 01/27/05

The same price? I think you mean 4X the same price tic swayback | 01/27/05

If you check the post.... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

By the way a fully loaded Vaio U70 is on Ebay for $500.00(nt) ShadeTree | 01/28/05

Perhaps but THE point is it is on Ebay and that is NOT Laff | 01/28/05

Auction starting point... tic swayback | 01/28/05

RE: EEWWW...It has windows richdave | 01/28/05

Missing the point... As I said before LazLong | 01/28/05

Corrections nucrash | 01/27/05

What next, a PC that's the size of a Palm device FilledOut | 01/27/05

Been done... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

edit and write dvds on it can i? hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

The Mini MAC doesn't write DVD's... ShadeTree | 01/27/05

Speaking of ignorance... MacCanuck | 01/28/05

It's a good sign that you are losing the... ShadeTree | 01/28/05

Pot, kettle, black MacCanuck | 01/28/05

if you don't buy the mac mini with it built in,can still use usb/fire drive hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05

ShadeTree really needs a SHADyTREE as he has been johnpall@... | 01/31/05

here it is ShadeTree | 01/27/05

for a mere $2000, and can you buy them in the shops? hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

No, you can't, unless you live in Japan tic swayback | 01/27/05

Or know how to go to Ebay ShadeTree | 01/28/05

And are very trusting, and have $2400 to spend (nt) tic swayback | 01/28/05

Actually he is selling it for $500.. ShadeTree | 01/28/05

That's not the final price tic swayback | 01/28/05

Mini is a copy rcark01 | 01/27/05

Sheep flock in herds rkadowns | 01/27/05

lol rcark01 | 01/27/05

rcark01 is just a greenman (envy) . I mean why exactly is he reading this hipparchus2000 | 01/27/05

correction rcark01 | 01/27/05

mini is a copy? bandaid69 | 01/28/05

This is the most fascinating part of the PC story mlindl | 01/27/05

RE: This is the most fascinating part of the PC story raymarc001 | 01/28/05

No offense taken and you make my point mlindl | 01/29/05

I remember when... jrniccolls@... | 01/27/05

Thanks Jon, rkadowns | 01/28/05

Me too....My first computer was a Commodor Vic 20 Laff | 01/28/05

Do you remember... jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05

Yup...Every time in history has it's period where a Laff | 01/28/05

Franklin rkadowns | 01/28/05

Your not OLD your... jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05

Rode hard and put away wet.....:) Laff | 01/28/05

Mini PC's? What next? dofisher | 01/28/05

Amiga 500!!! Laff | 01/28/05

If you want to take a trip down memory lane... jrniccolls@... | 01/28/05

Which way do I go..... raymarc001 | 01/28/05

Follow me! dave95 | 01/28/05

Stay focused mactolinux | 01/28/05

can you say PICObtx? JoeMama_z | 01/28/05

well go ahead and make a PC the size and specification for the price hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05

Might want to retract that statement.... JoeMama_z | 01/28/05

shuttle is noisy, about 10 times the volume of the mac mini, and .... hipparchus2000 | 01/28/05

a mac mini is not a shuttle.... JoeMama_z | 01/29/05

"9200 not a lot better?" er actually it is a LOT better (it can do 3d) hipparchus2000 | 01/29/05

on a pc the 9200.... JoeMama_z | 01/29/05

In fact lets do this.... JoeMama_z | 01/29/05

Windows XP Pro rkadowns | 01/29/05

hipparchus2000, yes I did.... JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

a mac mini is not a shuttle....PLEASE READ ABOUT COMPARISON johnpall@... | 01/30/05

what the heck is wrong with you people... JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

And a MUCH wider selection of viri/worm/addware/spyware! Laff | 01/31/05

To laff. JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Joemama thinks Mac is lacking in software dept johnpall@... | 01/31/05

i did, read my comparison.... JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

joe m... Where is your software comparison? MacCanuck | 01/31/05

stupid talkback.... to Joseph JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Windoze a joke-OSX a solution David Wright | 01/29/05

Mac Mini still has superior software bundle johnpall@... | 01/29/05

STILL WAITING FOR A COMPARISON BY YOU WINBLOWZ HEADS johnpall@... | 01/30/05

hmmmm well lets see. JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

joemama does'nt know how to do a proper comparison johnpall@... | 01/31/05

yeah right.... JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Cube 1 wasn't an inovation - Cube 2 most certainly isn't zeusfuse | 01/30/05

I can not understand why you don't get this.... Laff | 01/30/05

Where would Windows apologists be without games johnpall@... | 01/30/05

only one problem... JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

correction.... JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

My MS Mouse that I got here at work came with a Laff | 01/31/05

not not too expensive, JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Mac Mini does'nt come w/keyboard/mouse but buying a keyboard & mouse is johnpall@... | 01/31/05

facts are straight.... JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Mac keyboards have the advantage of smaller footprint johnpall@... | 01/31/05

Shuttle 1 wasn't an inovation & Latest Shuttle is'nt Either johnpall@... | 01/30/05

Give me a break..... JoeMama_z | 01/30/05

Apple Cube Not extinct ,reborn as Mac Mini. johnpall@... | 01/31/05

do you know how how much of a fan boy you are? JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

joemama is slipping, his ability to properly answer posts johnpall@... | 01/31/05

bite me... JoeMama_z | 01/31/05

Proud to support a platform that is not constantly attacked by johnpall@... | 01/31/05

Maybe, but I'm still FilledOut | 01/30/05

Wanting a big hooking case to hang up my windows IT shoes johnpall@... | 01/30/05

We'll sorry to see you go FilledOut | 02/07/05

Mac mini is not a Windows PC replacement oortizsilva | 01/30/05

Apple + math = 0 Olivier Pilot | 01/31/05

40 inch Teac display w/dvi in Australia is about $2500 johnpall@... | 01/31/05

Laf your right, most people use PC w/Windows johnpall@... | 02/01/05

Apple Emac weisgarber | 02/01/05

Car PCs, mini PCs run Linux and windowsXP from manufacturer SD-Omega andylong333 | 01/28/06

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