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Jeff, with all respect ... but Apple is not a MS enemy.
Mac mini cannot compete with a $500 PC. Why? Because Mac mini is x-times slower, plus Mac mini is not user-upgradeable.

Second ? performance of OS X sucks compared to Windows 2000.

Third ? almost ALL new Steve Jobs? products are defected by the design (G3, G4, G5, laptops, iPods, etc.). Later Apple resolves their issues for the expense of Mac users (guinea pigs).

Thus, those who will buy Mac mini are most likely beta-tester who bought this luxury for $500 or more. Even Apple?s displays are defected too:

The defect in the 17-inch LCD Studio Displays
http://homepage.mac.com/wysz/Studio_Display/index.html


Mac is not even good for Internet surfing:
?Loading complex pages under both Netscape and IE, the Apple PowerBook took more than twice as long and the iBook took more than three times as long as the fastest PC notebook.?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,36120,00.asp


The Gadget Show: PC vs MAC Jul 26 2004 channel 5, 7:30pm, UK
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5648&page=1
?... they were doing a PC Vs MAC competition, where they took the best MAC out (the G5, with its dual processors and 64 bit arciteture) and a top end PC (they didnt say the spec :S ).

The first test was to see how long it would take to set up the PC/MAC outta the box and be on a certain website. The MAC was up and running in around 7 minutes, while the PC took 28 minutes. MAC 1-0 PC

The second test was doing a special effect on Adobe Photoshop, to see which could do it faster. The PC done its an around half the time of the MAC! Considering that was MAC teritory i thought that woulda won. So MAC 1-1 PC

Then it was UT2004, i dont know what settings they had it on, but the mac averages at about 100 FPS while the PC rarely drop below 200 FPS. PC takes the lead (yaah) MAC 1-2 PC

Then the last test was just ridiculas. They would see how much damage/cost would happen to the PC/MAC if they dropped them off a 25 foot balcony! Now were talking about nearly ?3000 worth of computers. The PC was dropped off, and all it needed was a new mother board =/ to get it started , and was fixable for ?65. The MAC looked like it suffered the same fate, but getting the motherboard was another story. No PC shop was aloud to sell them one because of there deals with Apple (god knows what deal that was), so he had to ring apple, tell them he threw it off a 25 foot balcony and then got told a new motherboard would be ?400! So PC takes the victory with ease with the score finishing MAC 1-3 PC.?

Mac Sucks
http://www.mac-sucks.com/

Macs are not as trouble free as one is led to believe. Running a studio environment with 20 or more Macs does cost money to keep everything working smoothly. It may be only an hour here or there, but this can easily balloon your IT support budget to over $10K a year.
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/28/1619245&tid=107&tid=137&tid=185&tid=6
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The Mini is going to TROUNCE Windows!  Jeff Spicoli | 01/21/05
Jeff, with all respect ... but Apple is not a MS enemy.  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
Don't Ever Change  Harry Bardal | 01/21/05
Open Source is an answer to MS, but not by MS-controlled Apple. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
Crashing and Patching continually...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/22/05
Love it  Richard Flude | 01/21/05
Richard Flude, your answer is typical for Mac-fanatics. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
again, since you don't go to especialized pages , let me tell you  Macmax77 | 01/24/05
and i meant  Macmax77 | 01/24/05
Dude, you're getting a Mac  man_at_work | 01/21/05
2x slower than Dell, non-user upgradeable, etc. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
Incorrect again Vily  tic swayback | 01/21/05
We are dealing with a Troll there  man_at_work | 01/21/05
Enjoy wasting your money, play with cyber-toys - Macs. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
You're out of bullets  man_at_work | 01/21/05
Translation of man_at_work: Mac-fanatics are out of arguments. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
half the CLOCK speed not half the speed (BIG DIFFERENCE)  hipparchus2000 | 01/22/05
oh yeah, & no AGP port on the DELL, so you're stuck with slow sharedmem vid  hipparchus2000 | 01/22/05
You mixed up real performance with theoretical. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
huh? 3d is definitely slow on the DELL. My benchmark, I wrote  hipparchus2000 | 01/22/05
PCs are faster because: No 1 - OS X is poorly written, ... (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
vily. At it's core OSX is FREEBSD, which is known for it's SPEED  hipparchus2000 | 01/22/05
Unfortunately Steve Jobs spoiled it.  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
pulling a bunch of stories off google isn't scientific  hipparchus2000 | 01/23/05
Who cares that THEORETICALLY G5 is faster P4 if practically ...  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
User upgradeable  tic swayback | 01/21/05
Tic, you are lying. It?s against Steve Jobs? policy.  Vily Clay | 01/21/05
RAM is user upgradable  Ken_z | 01/21/05
If Apple doesn't want YOU to install RAM..  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/22/05
Sigh...just because I prefer Apple products does NOT  Laff | 01/22/05
Laff?s summary ? buy nothing from Apple if you can. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
The tech-ignorant..  AC_MA | 01/23/05
... only if they do not care about performance. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
VIly, you can't handle the truth  tic swayback | 01/22/05
Tic, where did you get those anti-Steve-Jobs visions? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
Vily, can you make your point if forced to tell the truth?  tic swayback | 01/22/05
Some users can upgrade a non-user-upgradeable Mac but ?(NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
Now you're just babbling Vily  tic swayback | 01/23/05
Thus Tic, you lost again. But why you fight against Apple?s policies? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
No specs on the PC?  Ken_z | 01/21/05
I think Viley should either be the current administrations  Laff | 01/22/05
Out-of-the-box PCs vs. Macs = Macs are losers. ALWAYS. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/22/05
Performance of OS X sucks compared to Windows 2000?  johnpall@... | 01/22/05
john, please pay attention to the word ?PERFORMANCE?. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
?PERFORMANCE? defined by everyone else as um ?PERFORMANCE?  johnpall@... | 01/23/05
Are you sure that the slower computer - the better? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/24/05
go to consumerreports first and  Macmax77 | 01/24/05
How Consumer reports can improve real performance? Magic words? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/24/05
Doesn't Surprise Me  PXLated | 01/21/05
Sounds like  Linux User 147560 | 01/21/05
peripherals  rkadowns | 01/21/05
Well I wish  Linux User 147560 | 01/21/05
huh?  RocketEater | 01/21/05
Which one?  tic swayback | 01/21/05
Ha.  rkadowns | 01/21/05
Funny  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 01/22/05
Jumping to conclusions.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 01/22/05
This Website makes Safari crash?  johnpall@... | 01/22/05
Safari crashes for me on ZDNet  tic swayback | 01/23/05
Safari Does'nt crash for the majority on ZDNet  johnpall@... | 01/23/05
now i want to see  Monkey_MCSE | 01/21/05
Why Target?  dave95 | 01/21/05
Been there done that  TWRX | 01/21/05
I think you guys have the wrong idea  Kollross | 01/21/05
Two things make me suspect about your decision process  mlindl | 01/22/05
Then, can you send me $500?  el1jones | 01/22/05
Must have forgot what it was like in college  Kollross | 01/22/05
Agree, but it won't make a dent in PC market  Prognosticator | 01/22/05
Oh, but it does have one thing PC's don't  el1jones | 01/22/05
than any Mac  Prognosticator | 01/22/05
I guess that depend on your personal experience.  Laff | 01/22/05
Many mac users use PC's at work  aristotles | 01/24/05
Media Center PC ?  Aerial | 01/22/05
Agree, but it WILL make a dent in PC market.  johnpall@... | 01/23/05
Some users can upgrade a non-user-upgradeable Mac but ?(NT) WHAT?  johnpall@... | 01/22/05
He's having trouble grappling with reality  tic swayback | 01/23/05
Tic, since when you are fighting against Apple?s policies? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/23/05
Mac email and browsing  rnesbit@... | 01/24/05
They all come with the Mac.Safari and Mail are...  Macmax77 | 01/24/05

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