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Gateway $499 does NOT have a proper 3D card
All you get is "Intel integrated video accelerator" which isn't
comparable to the ATI Radeon 9200 offered by the Mac Mini.
I tried to add a card as an upgrade to the Gateway machine, but
that was not possible... :-/
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but such a card is about $100,
which should really be added to the price for a fair comparison.
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Gateway $499 does NOT have a proper 3D card  lerno | 01/12/05
Mac mini performance vs. sub-$500 PC  Vily Clay | 01/12/05
true  TWRX | 01/12/05
What are you talking about?  lerno | 01/13/05
Vly any comments on Apples huge profits and sales  Laff | 01/13/05
I notice Vily is strangely silent on this topic  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Since I started Apple stock skyrockets? so far. I know what I?m doing. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
So this is a clever plan on your part to increase the  Laff | 01/13/05
Good job then  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Oh, you believe that in a totally corrupted country ...  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
You never fail to entertain  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Tic, you are failed to think. How can I help you? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Just keep entertaining me  tic swayback | 01/13/05
BUT if the speed is everything you need ?- skip your Mac (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Tic, I thought you use your head for thinking. I was wrong. Sorry. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Which head? (NT)  tic swayback | 01/14/05
Free tip for you, Tic: ...  Vily Clay | 01/14/05
Free response for you  tic swayback | 01/14/05
Thus Tic, you confirmed I was right about the purpose of your ?smart? butt.  Vily Clay | 01/14/05
Sorry Vily, either your logic or your language needs work  tic swayback | 01/17/05
Thus Tic, your butt failed miserably and your head is useless. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/17/05
True, but both are still smarter than you  tic swayback | 01/17/05
Thus Tic, you BELIEVE you are smart because ...  Vily Clay | 01/18/05
Apple Loses In Performance Badly, Quick Change The Subject!  nikoli | 01/14/05
Is it so hard to compare Mac mini vs. $500 PC (NT)?  Vily Clay | 01/14/05
Typically biased rant...  MacCanuck | 01/13/05
RAM  TWRX | 01/13/05
Apple?s cult-members have proved they are blind. Thanks (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
So TWRX is blink because he uses Mac's in a real world  Laff | 01/13/05
Bicycle (Mac) vs. car (PC) = Bicycle (Mac) is healthier, but?(NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Healthier and it pollutes a lot less, and "IF" more people  Laff | 01/13/05
If the speed is everything you need ?- skip your Mac (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Actually...  nomorems | 01/13/05
RE: Actually...  richdave | 01/14/05
Yes, there is an upper memory limit  MacCanuck | 01/14/05
BS  nikoli | 01/14/05
Yes, you are full of it...  MacCanuck | 01/17/05
Joseph Scozzaro, UK proved you are a liar.  Vily Clay | 01/17/05
He's actually NOT too far off...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/18/05
Vily, did you find the other half of your brain?  theo_durcan | 01/14/05
Pablo, if you would be smarter than a monkey ? you would disprove me with..  Vily Clay | 01/14/05
Oh, please. Even Charlie White himself repudiated his own benchmarks.  Joel R | 01/20/05
Nor the DVI-I connector, what about firewire400...  Richard Flude | 01/12/05
Firewire  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
I think it's the traditional tire kicker angle/arguement  Laff | 01/13/05
On that we agree  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
I think it is a definite that the Mac Mini is NOT for the  Laff | 01/13/05
Or the iPod owner  tic swayback | 01/13/05
I understand it?s too painful for you to admit that your religion is bogus.  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Once again some more...Huh?  Laff | 01/13/05
Laff, why are you praying two Gods - Steve Jobs and Allah? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Gospel According to Vily... Old Testament  MacCanuck | 01/13/05
Joseph, "Apple has a long way to go before OS X becomes usable." (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Vily... your opinion only...  MacCanuck | 01/14/05
Joseph, read the other opinions of Mac users below.  Vily Clay | 01/14/05
Mac Mini Total Cost  johnpall@... | 01/13/05
If low performance and money are not the issue ? buy Mac. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Not first timer  nomorems | 01/13/05
Joseph Scozzaro, try to improve your vision. Compare with: ...  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
I use FireWire for  swede_z | 01/19/05
FireWire has its uses  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Missed the whole video editing revolution?  Richard Flude | 01/13/05
Simple  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
Firewire necessary?  gerhard_z | 01/14/05
How about transferring video  lengua99 | 01/20/05
proper 3D card  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
Nope..not a top of the line game card I will agree.  Laff | 01/13/05
I've never seen a Radeon 9200  voska | 01/13/05
Mind if I ask...  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
Try Future Shop/Best Buy  voska | 01/13/05
K thanks  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
9600 Pro  john public | 01/13/05
RE: I've never seen a Radeon 9200  JakAttak | 01/13/05
Radeon 256?  Fernando_z | 01/13/05
But compared to the Intel integrated garbage....  jvahabzadeh | 01/13/05
Having used many PCs that use shared RAM  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
The best what Mac mini can do is to run game twice slower than ...  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
First point..what with PS/2, XBox, and Nintendo being  Laff | 01/13/05
Mac Mini as a Music PLayback Device for Live Performance  johnpall@... | 01/13/05
How about as a Home studio?  Dan__ | 01/13/05
How many people play games? Do they need Mac and PC? Or 1 PC? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
Silly Villy, I can provide to you a couple ******** Mac sites...  dave95 | 01/13/05
Fanatic-prayers of Apple cult do not want to listen/think ...  Vily Clay | 01/13/05
It's not the fact that it's shared  jvahabzadeh | 01/14/05
"You're not going to do much gaming with a 9200 &32 Meg." PS2? Xbox?  hipparchus2000 | 01/13/05
I don't feel foolish...  PA-ITGuy | 01/13/05
how were they "tuned"  hipparchus2000 | 01/14/05
Due some research for yourself  PA-ITGuy | 01/16/05
But you didn't get the point  lengua99 | 01/20/05
Not so fast!  ShadeTree | 01/13/05
Intel 845GV on comparably priced low end Dells  hipparchus2000 | 01/14/05
You're sort-of right.  friendly | 01/19/05
I want a card.  gdergous | 01/21/05
But What About Software  DaffyDuck | 01/12/05
YES!!  hacurio1 | 01/12/05
Ah. But does it come with a SPELL CHECKER? (NT)  Wolfie2K3 | 01/14/05
It does  j.m.galvin | 01/12/05
Comes with iLife and many more!  dave95 | 01/12/05
comes with the media package, not iWorks  tadd_z | 01/12/05
Comparing the price  tdml | 01/12/05
Software.  carmine_z | 01/12/05
Small correction  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Software  Adidasted | 01/13/05
RE: Software  JakAttak | 01/13/05
just with iLife  nucrash | 01/13/05
But What About Software... Strange, strange.  Serpamac | 01/19/05
Truth is a strange thing indeed!  Tim Carpenter | 01/20/05
We do know, we just don't care...  ajole | 01/20/05
Upgrade RAM prices  Gary the Writer | 01/20/05
I WANT ONE  raymanjr | 01/12/05
Get it!  Jeff Spicoli | 01/12/05
Not to mention  tic swayback | 01/13/05
COUNT ME IN 2  matson_z | 01/13/05
COUNT ME IN 3  dave95 | 01/13/05
Thanks for all the software replies  DaffyDuck | 01/12/05
And if you do need storage...  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Welcome  Harry Bardal | 01/13/05
Ya welcome  dave95 | 01/13/05
No keyboard and mouse?  theace18 | 01/12/05
If Apple were to include  dave95 | 01/12/05
Why don't they..  Jeff Spicoli | 01/12/05
um...  carmine_z | 01/12/05
It's part of Apple's overall philosophy  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Adobe Apps - Appleworks - Office  j.m.galvin | 01/13/05
Tough call, Jobs usually sticks to his guns  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Here's what I just finished  j.m.galvin | 01/13/05
Professional vs. home user  tic swayback | 01/14/05
Press and hold  nomorems | 01/13/05
MUCH too slow NT  j.m.galvin | 01/13/05
agreed j.m.  dave95 | 01/13/05
don't know, it would be good if they did  dave95 | 01/13/05
...someone did. Steve should take it on board...  Tim Carpenter | 01/20/05
Logitech Trackball  Gary the Writer | 01/20/05
No Keyboard and mouse?  Richardinhingham | 01/13/05
No Keyboard and mouse?  Adidasted | 01/13/05
Amen  AtomicFusion | 01/20/05
Welcome  Harry Bardal | 01/13/05
Mouse & Keyboard  gerhard_z | 01/14/05
Keyboards...  Dali_ | 01/23/05
Shuttle does not make a comparable unit  alan_kaplan | 01/12/05
You're correct -- story fixed  S.Howard-Sarin ZDNet Moderator | 01/12/05
Mini is literally *half* the size of my old external CD burner  Dan__ | 01/13/05
That;s why we put them on the floor.  ajole | 01/20/05
This is a good deal for some people  whe1 | 01/12/05
Great Deal for People with Older Macs  Patrick Hoyer | 01/12/05
great deal for those with no Macs too  voska | 01/13/05
Wonky Numbers  carmine_z | 01/12/05
Hahahaha  DrDoug018 | 01/13/05
HoHoHo  carmine_z | 01/13/05
Hehehe  DrDoug018 | 01/13/05
I still think something's off if the whole system crashes  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Panic Room  DrDoug018 | 01/13/05
Oh, you'd know  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Canvas....  gerhard_z | 01/14/05
I have a brand new iMac...had if for a couple months  Laff | 01/13/05
Sounds like something is amiss  tic swayback | 01/13/05
I've seen Mac crash quite often  voska | 01/13/05
Ancient history  tic swayback | 01/13/05
IMac G5 Problems  Gary the Writer | 01/19/05
Make that Zap the PRAM  Gary the Writer | 01/19/05
Look at the packaging  Ken_z | 01/12/05
Mac mini vs low cost PCs  potter05 | 01/12/05
The box doesn't matter. OS does.  BigJonPaints | 01/13/05
What Software you need....  dave95 | 01/13/05
Compatibility matters...  lfloyd@... | 01/19/05
iPod users too  Ken_z | 01/19/05
Software?  mck22 | 01/19/05
Get things done?  Gary the Writer | 01/19/05
When you see that  lengua99 | 01/20/05
Enough Said? Lame  Bob Hughes | 01/20/05
Talk tiger not cow  attaboy@... | 01/13/05
missing the point  cthompson | 01/13/05
Analysts and Apple  BigJonPaints | 01/13/05
Why must Apple dominate to succeed?  Gary the Writer | 01/19/05
Let me tell you...  cashaww | 01/13/05
If it only had the new processor.  georgemd@... | 01/13/05
No surplus  tic swayback | 01/13/05
G4 disappointment?  savagesteve13 | 01/13/05
yes, and no  Tommy Mandel | 01/19/05
PC Makers Finally Push the Envelope on Style  ITLaw | 01/13/05
Mini Vs. iMac  Fernando_z | 01/13/05
For some, yes  tic swayback | 01/13/05
Depends, I  nucrash | 01/13/05
Don't you already own a monitor?  j.m.galvin | 01/13/05
KISS  Ken_z | 01/13/05
Separate Components vs All-in-one!  Dan__ | 01/13/05
I am not even comparing the size.....  eero | 01/13/05
Mac_Mini as a Music PLayback Device for Live Performance  johnpall@... | 01/13/05
How about as a Home studio? (repost)  Dan__ | 01/13/05
Everyone dumps the stock mouse/keybo....  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/13/05
BYODKM  savagesteve13 | 01/13/05
Who would want to buy that abomination?  Gackto | 01/13/05
i did  hipparchus2000 | 01/14/05
Abomination?  Serpamac | 01/19/05
KVM with a Mac?  svenyonson | 01/13/05
Do not see why not...  LazLong | 01/13/05
Yes it works.  hayesk | 01/14/05
Oh joy! Now we'll be seeing posts  kiddpeat | 01/14/05
re: KVM with a Mac?  seaside | 01/15/05
It's all about the software!  BigJonPaints | 01/13/05
Complete Myth  LazLong | 01/13/05
Tell that to these guys  tic swayback | 01/14/05
Nice 2nd troll re no software, etc  MacCanuck | 01/14/05
Game console included?  ajole | 01/20/05
Wasn't the point of my post...  MacCanuck | 01/20/05
Here's a list of 11,000+ apps  Ken_z | 01/19/05
Tee hee!  daver_z | 01/19/05
Wrong  hyperjeff | 01/20/05
Let's redefine our terms  Gary the Writer | 01/20/05
Totally missed the point, it's for switchers  Fred Fredrickson | 01/13/05
Good point  ajole | 01/20/05
Make me a Mac  gdergous | 01/21/05
Mac Mini versus MSNTV2  EloquentEnigma | 01/14/05
Good attempt to reach the masses  dshifflett_z | 01/14/05
Could I plug it in to my old G3?  Nana_z | 01/14/05
Any Mac is a Big deal  marionandedw | 01/14/05
Memory Upgrade?  gerhard_z | 01/14/05
One slot, do it yourself  hayesk | 01/14/05
memory upgrade - up to 1GB  LindaWintec | 01/19/05
At first, it looked intriguing.  kiddpeat | 01/14/05
If all you do is surf the wb and the occasional email you don't need a mac  Darkintent | 01/16/05
Continued  Darkintent | 01/16/05
Yeah right try getting a PC with this performance, whisper quiet & size  hipparchus2000 | 01/16/05
As soon as Linux...  PA-ITGuy | 01/16/05
Misinformed  kbeaumont | 01/19/05
Software decreasing?  Serpamac | 01/19/05
And that's why Macs still have a purpose  halo5@... | 01/19/05
Yeah, but can I use it?  ajole | 01/20/05
Update equipment  fishmaven | 01/19/05
Windows users with a brain will switch  xebrawerx | 01/19/05
Security?  ajole | 01/19/05
Try keeping 30+ machines up-to-date and virus-free  halo5@... | 01/19/05
re:Try keeping 30+ machines up-to-date and virus-free  deepee912 | 01/20/05
Cheaper is NOT better - Quality Costs  aaggarwal | 01/19/05
Mac Mini  mebxl | 01/19/05
Of course its apple's attempt at the masses  ajole | 01/19/05
Can you say iMac? iBook? iPod? iTunes?  swede_z | 01/19/05
If their price comes down, too.  ajole | 01/20/05
Almost perfect for me.  Traveler545220 | 01/19/05
Mac Mini for my Mom  Tommy Mandel | 01/19/05
Mac Mini memory Upgrade necessary  LindaWintec | 01/19/05
Great potential for home theatre  Bryan Dale | 01/19/05
Mac Mini....In a class by itself  mrs1622 | 01/19/05
1GB upgrade  LindaWintec | 01/19/05
1GB upgrade  LindaWintec | 01/19/05
I mean, what are you guys smoking?  Phoghat | 01/19/05
Something better than you are.  gdergous | 01/21/05
Mac Mini  starman_gary | 01/19/05
YOu Stupid People  Sonic20 | 01/19/05
Great replacement for my aging iMac  algilbert | 01/19/05
To late for me.  jdennis_z | 01/19/05
Mac Mini a maxi deal? NO  hhenning1@... | 01/19/05
The Mac  befishman@... | 01/19/05
Why Apple will suceed  Diceburna | 01/19/05
There's a sucker born every minute  daver_z | 01/19/05
This is Fantastic, but I'd never buy one.  daver_z | 01/19/05
Learn OS X?  Gary the Writer | 01/20/05
wallet  gdergous | 01/21/05
Steve Jobs & P.T.Barnum  mustangj36@... | 01/19/05
H.L.Mencken observation more appropriate...  MacCanuck | 01/20/05
OSX Factor/Form Factor  halo5@... | 01/19/05
Lets hope it sparks a design war !  kerjenski01 | 01/20/05
A bit off the subject, but it keeps coming up-  ajole | 01/20/05
Style comparison PC vs MAC  jfa | 01/20/05
mobile  11mickh11 | 01/21/05
pc  gdergous | 01/21/05
YOUR alternative.  gdergous | 01/21/05
Always good  richdave | 01/25/05
mini vs Dell  matteh99 | 01/29/05

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