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Debate is good...: "Ah, so *you* want *your* IP protected, but not the other guys."

1. When you say 'you', is that collective?

Yes, I meant the collective you.

I was responding to your -Most Linux People I Know- statement and gave my impression of the ones I know.

As was I.

2. I find no where in any of my statements where I advocate no protecting everyone's IP. I may decry the system, but IP must be protected for aleast a small interval to give incentive to create.

On that we agree.

"Tell me, how does infringing copyrighted works put even a penny in the "artists" hands?"

"Once again here you debate a point I haven't made. I never advocated, nor did I state a desire, to infringe on IP."

Really? What did you mean by "They just favor preserving IP for the people and not the company. They believe in compensating the Artist better than the promoter." That certainly sounds like you are against the promoter (and all those that follow) from owning IP.

"I certainly did not state that it was a way to insure that artists, or anyone else, get paid."

See the above.

"But it's a changing world you claim? Fine, let it change if that is really what the market wants"

"Here is the one statement of substance that can be truly debated in your whole post. The reality is that the market has little to do with this situation and that you do not see that is the major proble with your posts."

No, this is where we completely disagree. I DO see the market being harmed by the theft of IP. (And no, I am not talking about RIAA and the MPAA only.) Software is taking a big hit, personal information is taking a big hit. In fact anything that can be digitized and "traded" is being placed in jepordy.

"Infringing on IP is a way to circumvent the market."

No, it's a way to destroy the market and damage the honest people making a living in it. Sorry but our laws do not allow someone to damage another with an illegal act, it's just that simple.

"On the other hand, when customers leave en mass"

Hasn't happened. True there are a few that stopped buying CDs, but I am talking about much more here than music files.

"going to court to compel them to return also ignors and circumvents the indicators and forcecs the market is giving."

And that is where your entire argument falls to pieces. NO ONE is being forced to buy anything. They are however being "forced" to pay up when they get caught. Look, most of what is being "shared" are LUXURY items, not some basic need like food, water, or air. People are doing something ILLEGAL for their own personal gratification, nothing more. (Just like every crook has in the past.)

"At its base level, the market seems to be saying to the big record lables, your are not producing what I want to buy,"

No, what is being said is, "I don't need to pay for it, I can just help myself to all I want and the laws be damned".

"or the cost of your product is very out of line, and your profits will suffer because of it."

And if profits suffer, then that is a true market force. But what you suggest is like telling WalMart that they need to lower prices because the shoplifters think things cost too much.

"The market is working, but not to the benefit of the Record labels."

Which market? the trade of stolen IP or it's legitimate sales?

"You must not fall for their mixed message."

There is no mixed message. Taking what is not your and you have no right to is wrong. It's just that simple.

"but stealing from the "promoter" and then saying his business model is wrong is something only a crook would say..."

Another simply inflamitory statement that has nothing to do with my post.

Well, the crooks certainly would agree with you.

"Please consider giving just a bit more thought to what you write."

Great advice, perhaps you should sample it yourself...

Look, here is the bottom line. The taking of IP regardless of who owns it is both moraly and legally wrong. Any, and I do mean ANY argument to the contray is both foolish and meaningless, well, at least to anyone in Congress, the courts, the owners, etc..

As I have said many times. EVERY crook has an excuse. Time after time I see posters offer excuses for the taking of anothers IP and that is all they are, bad excuses to justify something they know deep down is wrong....; Posted by: No_Ax_to_Grind Posted on: 01/04/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use