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Once again, Microsoft taking away rights from the consumer  Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
MS giving rights to the consumer  jeff_c_brown | 11/12/04
There can only be one Jeff on these forums!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
Trouble with analogies  GregSalts | 11/12/04
You break it, you bought it..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
maybe phone hardware is a better analogy  GregSalts | 11/12/04
If the analogies fit use them  Squawkbox | 11/12/04
Point not defeated, modify all you want just don't use XBLive.  GregSalts | 11/12/04
OK  rapson | 11/12/04
Wrong analogy  amicus_curious | 11/12/04
The problem is..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
So what?  amicus_curious | 11/12/04
Re: So what?  d_jedi | 11/12/04
How do you tell?  rpmyers1 | 11/12/04
Your analogy is a strech...  DigitalKid | 11/12/04
Your analogies are even larger stretches.  Letophoro | 11/12/04
re:  eLurker | 11/12/04
True enough.  Letophoro | 11/12/04
Look here, "right of first sale"-er....  rock06r | 11/15/04
Re: Look here  Letophoro | 11/15/04
not really  Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
re:  DigitalKid | 11/12/04
Let's really be honest  eb276 | 11/12/04
jeff  eLurker | 11/12/04
Is that not how it is  voska | 11/12/04
Car manufacturer too.  joethemacfan | 11/12/04
Not...  balsover | 11/12/04
But whining is so much fun  rapson | 11/12/04
You guys are scaring me..  Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
Saw the wink...  rapson | 11/12/04
Aha!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
It is not nessesary...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
Ops... it is Necessary....  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
Viva!!!!  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
Re: Once again, Microsoft taking away rights from the consumer  richdave | 11/12/04
Well, I guess that means I won't be getting an XBox Live subscription..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Flip side  PA-ITGuy | 11/12/04
The right rationale, the wrong methodology?  jvahabzadeh | 11/12/04
Would telephone company allow modified hardware on their network?  GregSalts | 11/12/04
Didn't AT&T try that?  d_jedi | 11/12/04
So how do you keep someone from cheating?  GregSalts | 11/12/04
Easy..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
It's Microsofts Service not the XBox  mrlinux | 11/12/04
RE: It's Microsoft's Service  JakAttak | 11/12/04
It's an X-Box  AbsolutelyNot | 11/12/04
I agree, to a point..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Think we agree on the same points  PA-ITGuy | 11/12/04
I disagree 100%  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Why?  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Why. because it is your choice.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Choice..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Sorry, but no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Not quite..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Difference here  AbsolutelyNot | 11/12/04
Well...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
They have tried doing a checksum,  GregSalts | 11/12/04
I'm agree...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
I'm agree...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
...and  eLurker | 11/12/04
The right?  Zontor_z | 11/15/04
Good for Microsoft ! We support you !  Prognosticator | 11/12/04
Stupid argument  voska | 11/12/04
Besides.....  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
Back to reality  Prognosticator | 11/12/04
Agree that...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
Re: Back to reality  richdave | 11/12/04
I thought  rock06r | 11/15/04
What you mean "we," paleface?  AbsolutelyNot | 11/12/04
Speak for yourself  deadpan227 | 11/15/04
Microsoft=evil  cabose | 12/18/05
Microsoft=evil  cabose | 12/18/05
Cops won't let me drive on road after mods.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
See my reply to DigitalKid above.  Letophoro | 11/12/04
Exactly right...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
But...  hal9000mx | 11/12/04
The difference is..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Sorry you are 100% WRONG.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
No, You're WRONG Again...As Usual  itanalyst | 11/12/04
Simply stated...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
LOL You're A Pathetic Joke Anyway  itanalyst | 11/12/04
Pot calling the kettle black  eb276 | 11/12/04
(nt) I agree with you on this one. .  d_jedi | 11/12/04
No Axe is right on this one  voska | 11/12/04
Correct, but keep your mod Xbox off the XBLive Track.  GregSalts | 11/12/04
But..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
How do you know these are the only mods?  GregSalts | 11/12/04
What about..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
i am pretty sure  eLurker | 11/12/04
According to their TOS..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
re:  eLurker | 11/12/04
Depends on the state  AbsolutelyNot | 11/12/04
Give it a rest...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
Which planet are you referring to?  JMusto | 11/15/04
You have an intersting way of taking tangents.  B.O.F.H. | 11/12/04
You have an intersting way of riding my coat tails.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
Interesting how you could not articulate an intelligent response.  B.O.F.H. | 11/13/04
As it is you, it wasn't worth the time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
Your time can't be worth that much.  B.O.F.H. | 11/13/04
Tell the truth...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
So you say I overestivated you?  B.O.F.H. | 11/13/04
Where you trying to say ESTIMATED???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
Were you trying to say Were???  Grook | 11/15/04
?  Zontor_z | 11/15/04
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 11/12/04
(nt) Yet another pointless personal attack..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Because it is not actually your car...  Patrick Jones | 11/12/04
Uh, yeah if you say so...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Interesting Assertions.  JMusto | 11/15/04
Last I heard, Microsoft isn't a law enforcement agency  CobraA1 | 11/12/04
Neither is the race track, but you must follow their rules.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Your analogy DISPROVES your point  jvahabzadeh | 11/13/04
Nope, not even close.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
You are stretching the racing and mod analogies!  B.O.F.H. | 11/13/04
And your ignorance of track rules is showing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
Try again oh clueless one!  B.O.F.H. | 11/13/04
Liar, liar, pants on fire.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Wow, No_Ax admits he knows nothing about racing?  B.O.F.H. | 11/14/04
BOFH, I'll TRY to make it real simple for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
WOW, I finally shut you up.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
sorry no ax - wrong  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
if you want a car blue car - buy a new one, don't you dare paint it  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
So call the XBL cyber cops instead?  rock06r | 11/15/04
Bad Analogy  deadpan227 | 11/15/04
No surprise is it, they said no modded boxes  FilledOut | 11/12/04
The thing is..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Because the chips can be turned off prior to the check  GregSalts | 11/12/04
I must profess ignorance on this..  d_jedi | 11/12/04
Not per the last paragraph of page 1  GregSalts | 11/12/04
Can't they identify pirated software?  deadpan227 | 11/15/04
X-Box is user's property, user can mod all they like...  Root User | 11/12/04
EXACTLY!!! I Totally Agree  itanalyst | 11/12/04
But isn't it true.....  rapson | 11/12/04
this sounds like guilty until proven innocent.  deadpan227 | 11/15/04
Agreed  FilledOut | 11/12/04
not according to no ax  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
I agree with some of your blog, but most is FUD  rock06r | 11/15/04
Hey, we can ALL play this game...  gordon@... | 11/12/04
And anybody who uses the products  FilledOut | 11/12/04
as much as i hate Microsoft... i have no problem with this  doh123 | 11/12/04
Just Develop A Mod Chip That's Undetectable....  itanalyst | 11/12/04
Next Xbox probably  FilledOut | 11/12/04
I promice...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
Yep  FilledOut | 11/12/04
Don't knock short the power of marketing  voska | 11/12/04
I promise I wont  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
I support Microsoft...  Grayson Peddie | 11/12/04
Microsoft is right on this one.  George Mitchell | 11/12/04
To be VERY honest..Xbox Live is mainly whiney kids anyway  DigitalKid | 11/12/04
Kids not good enought for PC Game areana  voska | 11/12/04
Well duh. Games are for kids.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
we all play games  voska | 11/12/04
Smart move  stanleymwc@... | 11/12/04
Why not create some where else to play?  Kungfoofighterx | 11/13/04
Go ahead, we'll watch.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
other 'live'-type services do exist already (nt)  eLurker | 11/13/04
once you are on the network ms has access to your xbox  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
Microsoft Doesn't Want Modders as Customers  peter@... | 11/13/04
You have more choices than buy/not buy...  Root User | 11/13/04
And what if anything has this to do with the story?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
You're the only one ranting and making personal attacks, No_Ax.  Root User | 11/13/04
Really, show me one.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
You asked for it.  Root User | 11/14/04
I was hoping you would be foolish enough to try.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Oh, and also please notice.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
.  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
Root, you have been SPANKED!  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
Oops.. posted reply one message too high (nt)  Root User | 11/14/04
Two wrongs don't make a right...  Root User | 11/14/04
I knew that was how you would hide.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Really, do you belive that? So then explain your actions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Hey HYPOCRITE, why are you calling names?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Root User??? Don't like Linux???  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
I am not as nice as No Ax. You're a liar and idiot.  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
Re: common sense is everything  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
hipparchus2000, I never said I believe it at all.  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
Common Sense is everything "Root User"  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
You own actions speak for themselves...  Root User | 11/14/04
hipparchus2000, only if you're living under a rock...  Commonsenseiseverything | 11/14/04
Root User, Backpeddle king??? Yes I believe so.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Backpedaling? How in the world....  Root User | 11/14/04
well  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
hipparchus2000...  Root User | 11/14/04
RE:Backpedaling? How in the world - Let me explain it to you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
hipparchus2000 RE: Well...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
noAx for once I agree with you  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
gee no ax  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
What, such a shrp wit.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
I think this is quite relevant, let me elucidate  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
Well, you gave it a try anyhow.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
Sony sued mod chip makers  FilledOut | 11/14/04
I don't particularly like MS but...  GeeMaster | 11/14/04
$100 million in 24 hours, not bad!  B.O.F.H. | 11/14/04
I thought there are mod chips you can turn off and on  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha  JasonL31 | 11/14/04
Um wrong, all the game companies do it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
if the folks go buy ANOTHER Xbox (cost of 2 games)  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
You are talking about history.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
in that case well done microsoft  hipparchus2000 | 11/14/04
Links, not exactlly...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
From the Microsoft 1Q2005 10Q  B.O.F.H. | 11/14/04
Unfortunately...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
No Ax, don't go there  rock06r | 11/15/04
Actually, I have been in the manufacturing game 30 plus years.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
I work in the industry  kelkins@... | 07/05/05
If any of your professional claims were true...  B.O.F.H. | 11/15/04
History isn't that old yet-- Microsoft is still losing money per XBox sold  Root User | 11/14/04
That hardware's pretty cheap for the consumer  voska | 11/15/04
I have to agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
That's a huge assumption, really...  Root User | 11/15/04
Not really.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
You're wrong here  Root User | 11/15/04
Are you in IT or in manufacturing?  rock06r | 11/15/04
As a matter of fact, yes I am.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
The XBox is not quite what you claim it to be.  B.O.F.H. | 11/15/04
BOFH...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/15/04
cost amortised  hipparchus2000 | 11/17/04
re: if the folks go buy ANOTHER Xbox  iet2004 | 12/14/04
Were you trying to say  Grook | 11/15/04
Thanks Microsoft For Kicking Cheater Butts  lryman2000 | 11/15/04
My Objection  kelkins@... | 07/05/05

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