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>>A breakthrough? That's what I've been saying all along. You don't own the copyright. You don't own the idea.<<

I understand since your argument has changed so many times, you may not remember it. In essence, I believe you are trying to argue:

"Ownership, and ownership of copyright are completely different things."

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pointing out that it's not this distinction that matters, it's ownership of material versus the content. If you now agree that you only own the material and not the content, bravo!

>>What if the content cited is only 999 words? Can I reproduce the whole thing? What if it's for a scholarly article for publication? Do the classroom guides cover it?<<

The test is actually "brevity". The case itself set a maximum limit of 1,000. So no, if the work cited is 999 words, it would fail the brevity test. [url=http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2000-all/gall-2000-12-all.html]This site[/url] has a good summary of the Classroom Guidelines.

>>But you can't legally do it<<

Why not? There is no law that forbids me from doing so. I'm only breaking the law if I then proceed to drive my car on any streets. I made no mention of doing that, did I? wink

Just because you make assumptions not in evidence doesn't mean that they are correct. It simply means you made another mistake =P

>>Go back and re-read<<

You realize you are quoting an article, not the law itself? Must I re-quote the part of the article that proves you wrong? =P

>>And it's perfectly legal<<

No it wasn't! That's what got SonicBlue SUED! That's why there is no DVR with that technology! DVR's today essentially simply use various forms of fast-forwarding.

>>Never said it wasn't a grey area. Just that there was little doubt. If there's any doubt at all, it's still grey. Just a very light shade of grey.<<

Ah, now who's arguing semantics wink

>>You've declared that I've violated a law, when you yourself admit that it is unclear if that law has been violated<<

No. You've violated the letter of the copyright law. That's beyond question. As repeated sources have stated, the grey area is the ramification of doing so.

>>Is it difficult talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time? Is it a grey area or is it not?<<

I dunno, you seem to be doing a great job of it happy Tell me again about the light shade of grey =P
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It's not made in US  ChinesePhDinCA | 01/04/06
you mean that only the defects are made domestically  michael_t | 01/05/06
You should check your facts.(nt)  IT Scion | 01/05/06
Too little, too late (YAWN)  theMacDaddy | 01/04/06
better late than never  MIS Master | 01/05/06
That is SO funny...  BitTwiddler | 01/05/06
I'd like to know what you mean by....  Laff | 01/05/06
I think he means....  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Gotta LOVE those little extras!!! heh heh heh  Laff | 01/05/06
Are you high or just stupid?  999ad@... | 01/05/06
Another Clueless MS Shill  nomorems | 01/05/06
Which tape format is better Beta or VHS?  George Jay | 01/05/06
I don't think it was marketing  voska | 01/05/06
Yep  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Well... Kinda Yep  OliverSeal | 01/05/06
There's the rub  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Observations from watching the webcast (long read) happy  myxner | 01/05/06
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Quiet, no one is suppose to know about that (NT)  DarthRidiculous | 01/05/06
If you OWN it, do as you wish.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/05/06
Wrong  Mad Dan | 01/05/06
Not quite accurate  voska | 01/05/06
Wrong again  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Not quite...  techboy_z | 01/05/06
You are all full of crap  jrbeaman | 01/05/06
What fine print?  voska | 01/05/06
Half right  java.user | 01/05/06
Correct  nomorems | 01/05/06
You're setting arbitrary definitions  tic swayback | 01/05/06
No  java.user | 01/05/06
Differentiate between ownership and ownership of copyright  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Corrections  java.user | 01/05/06
Now you're misquoting yourself  tic swayback | 01/05/06
As I see it...  Linux User 147560 | 01/05/06
Yet more corrections  java.user | 01/05/06
Got any more magical fairy tales you'd like to tell us?  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Yet further corrections  java.user | 01/05/06
Again, rights versus ownership of an object  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Alright, let's consolidate  java.user | 01/05/06
Consolidation is good  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Brevity is the soul of wit after all wink  java.user | 01/05/06
Another dispatch from the magical land of make believe  tic swayback | 01/06/06
yep, you are once again only imagining things happy  java.user | 01/06/06
You asked for it...  tic swayback | 01/06/06
So give it to me already! =P  java.user | 01/06/06
Hoisted by your own petard  tic swayback | 01/06/06
you may want to check to see who got hoisted wink  java.user | 01/06/06
Wow, your selective editing is impressive!  tic swayback | 01/06/06
As is your inability to read =P  java.user | 01/06/06
Think I've got you nailed on this one  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Once again, you prove my point happy  java.user | 01/06/06
Ya Gotta read those exceptions  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Sure, it goes a bit towards INTENT  java.user | 01/06/06
Here are the actual laws  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Once again, my point is proven happy  java.user | 01/06/06
You're confusing two different things  tic swayback | 01/06/06
No, I'm quoting Stanford and the EFF  java.user | 01/06/06
I don't remember agreeing to a license  tic swayback | 01/05/06
No  java.user | 01/05/06
Can I re-sell it?  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Easy  java.user | 01/05/06
Here's where your argument falls apart  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Wow  java.user | 01/05/06
Here's where you make your major mistake  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Do you even know what a copyright is?  java.user | 01/05/06
BTW  java.user | 01/05/06
Let me clear things up for you  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Great!  java.user | 01/05/06
You're still confused  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Unfortunately  java.user | 01/05/06
Now you're arguing semantics  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Actually it's intellectual vs. physical property  java.user | 01/05/06
iTunes is a completely different matter  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Yes, different because you interpreted incorrectly =P  java.user | 01/05/06
You can re-sell your iTunes license  tic swayback | 01/06/06
sigh, wrong again  java.user | 01/06/06
I guess you didn't read the whole thing  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Reading comprehension  java.user | 01/06/06
Wow, talk about reading issues!  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Yes, seriously, we should talk about it READ YOUR OWN SOURCES!!!!  java.user | 01/06/06
No contradictions here  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Gotta read those exceptions  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Gah! Posted the second response here in the wrong place  tic swayback | 01/06/06
Yet further corrections  java.user | 01/06/06
More semantic confusion  tic swayback | 01/06/06
There is confusion alright  java.user | 01/06/06
The copy is the contents  tic swayback | 01/06/06
I guess this is where we differ  java.user | 01/06/06
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Dream on  java.user | 01/05/06
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how may people use flight simulator  hipparchus2001 | 01/05/06
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Yes, games are a problem.  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
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Fear not.  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
No worries here......  Laff | 01/05/06
MACs iPods and Games....  jrbeaman | 01/05/06
Myths  dolph0291 | 01/05/06
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Read the whole thread.  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
Except that  nomorems | 01/05/06
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Glorious summer!  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
Anton, you having  Linux User 147560 | 01/05/06
Microsoft and marketing.  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
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Nice try but  IT Scion | 01/05/06
For a really truthful insight  Linux User 147560 | 01/05/06
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Emphasis.  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
No Anton, what I am saying  Linux User 147560 | 01/06/06
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No a perfect example  Linux User 147560 | 01/06/06
Get it, actually agree with it, mostly.  Anton Philidor | 01/06/06
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Sure  IT Scion | 01/05/06
Gate$ is full of it!  Linux Geek | 01/05/06
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Mike Cox's evil twin?  archerjoe | 01/05/06
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I don't think it's joke  voska | 01/05/06
RE: Gate$ is full of it!  alvers | 01/05/06
You're full of it too....  cicuta | 01/05/06
Linux Geek  nomorems | 01/05/06
Absolutely wonderful...  Mike Cox | 01/05/06
More importantly:  tic swayback | 01/05/06
Coffee spew  Shelendrea | 01/05/06
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MS back to its anti-competitive roots.  Don't Ask Me | 01/05/06
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Uhh... no.  MTMacPhee | 01/05/06
Wrong  IT Scion | 01/05/06
We will see..  Don't Ask Me | 01/05/06
gates has a reputation of that  linuxoverwindows | 01/05/06
Like what?  IT Scion | 01/05/06
Can't wait  IT Scion | 01/05/06
I can't wait either....  MTMacPhee | 01/05/06
lmao  IT Scion | 01/06/06
And before  IT Scion | 01/06/06
Vista is innovative? Not...  TracyF | 01/05/06
Again  IT Scion | 01/05/06
Sry  IT Scion | 01/05/06
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Yea but I left myself wide open....  IT Scion | 01/05/06
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I'm sure...  IT Scion | 01/05/06
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Do it better?!  Andromedat6 | 01/05/06
Another claim with no facts.  jrbeaman | 01/05/06
Am I exited about Bill Gate$???  Betelgeuse58 | 01/05/06
ok  Shelendrea | 01/05/06
Shelendrea, you GO girl!!!!  Betelgeuse58 | 01/05/06
Absurd  Anton Philidor | 01/05/06
Hey Anton  Shelendrea | 01/06/06
bill gates at it again  chicobaby37 | 01/05/06
Microsoft: Too Big For It's Own Breeches....  guitar_samuri | 01/06/06
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Yes they do but Microsoft is not always the answer...  Linux User 147560 | 01/06/06
Help please......  angela_6uk | 01/06/06
Part of the answer.  Anton Philidor | 01/06/06
Drop me a line at  Linux User 147560 | 01/06/06
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