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Laff, ANYTHING is possible

But add it all up and you are still left with a very convaluded explanation. The simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. The fact that anything is possible, NEVER means that it is probable.

If you examine all of the valid evidence, including eye-witness, satellite, other country's and our own intelligence and scientific examination, it conclusively and consistantly points in only one direction, foreign terrorists.

Now if you examine all of Jeff's evidence, you will see alot of questions and conjecture, but no positive deduction or valid scientific reasoning, just good old fashioned dramatically portrayed fiction. BTW many times Jeff will post several links to different sites about the same story, possibly thinking that repeating a story about one incident many times somehow adds to its magnitude. (voter fraud in Ohio) I have read all of his links before responding to him, previously.

So, I still say Jeff is gullable, or just really wants to believe those things, but if you want me to quantify the "possibility" of what Jeff wants to believe about Bush causing Sept 11th, I would say that it is as close to impossible as you can get.

Now I would also contend and I do NOT think you would disagree (at least with some of this) there has to be a force behind much of this besides Satan that is a human force...

I DO agree, satan is the force that is behind the tempting of humans. "The human heart is wickedly deceitful above all else". There is a constant struggle inside of us between good and evil, and we all have a natural tendancy towards evil. "Satan roams about like a lion seeking whom he can devour". Yes, you're right, it will be men who do these terrible acts, and as I've agreed with you before about, many will be fooled and there will be many false christians among them.

You seem to be saying that there is something we can do to change the future, I don't know if I'm smart enough to explain it very well, but I believe that things will happen regardless of ANY of mans abilities, predestination if you will. Look at history, do you think that men have taken good care of the earth or each other? Don't you see how the world is getting more and more wicked as time goes on? How we seem to be getting closer and closer to "armageddon"? Then how can you not conclude that at this rate we will all wipe each other out, for whatever reason? That's why it is not up to any man to determine when and if the end comes, it is up to God. The things that I have experienced in my life, and the things I have read in the bible over my relatively short lifetime, lead me to believe that what the bible says is true. Many of the things prophesized in the bible have already happened, some are happening now, and there will be more to come. So I cannot help but believe that this is all part of God's plan as described in the bible, and the end (renewal) is definitely going to happen, through the actions of men as inspired by satan.

Part of my belief and faith includes knowing that there are many true christians here that the bible describes as the "salt of the earth", in other words they are kind of keeping the world from getting completly out of hand right now. When they are removed (raptured if you will) from the earth it will get real nasty around here. So I would also have to believe that where there is a great concentration of christians there is probably a few who can be great leaders. I happen to believe that George W. Bush is one of those leaders among others. And of course we have some evil leaders also, ted kennedy, nancy pelosi, barbara boxer etc.

Again, the evidence of the things that Jeff insist happened related to Sept 11th are not worth the computers they were typed on. I'm not preaching to you about any of this, just giving you my belief.

End Times are a coming there has to be a begining to ge to the end does there not?

The sign of the beginning if you will, is Israel becoming a nation again, and that happened nearly sixty years ago. The earth is about to run us off of its surface with all of the natural disasters and such, which is another sign. So, it has already begun. Believe it or not, the bible says for us to "rejoice when we see these signs, for we know his return is near" (Jesus). Seems kind of hard to rejoice, doesn't it? But I try.

Posted by: Spoon Jabber   Posted on: 01/27/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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