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Ummm..Spoon Man..: "But no, I think it is way out of line to suggest that Bush, or anyone in our government, caused or had anything to do with the terror attacks, without one shred of credible evidence."

But you see, this is PROOF that you have not done any investigating of your own. There is a TON of evidence proving direct US governmental complicity. You just apparently are turning a blind eye to it. Believe me, I'd rather NOT be pointing the finger at American officials but there is just too much evidence against them to ignore it at this point in time.

"Jeff would have you believe Bush masterminded the attacks AND at the same time claims that Bush is an idiot."

No actually Bush didn't mastermind anything. The 9/11 project had been in the works for years by many people. And yes, Bush IS a retard. Period. I'm sorry, but I just can't have any respect for a man who claims to have graduated from Yale and yet can't complete a whole sentence.

"but ALL of the links Jeff posted were simply speculative at best, no hard evidence."

So try these books then:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566565529/104-7904734-1215161
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1931947058/qid=1106861197/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/104-7904734-1215161
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060783389/qid%3D1106861216/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-7904734-1215161

That last book (the minute by minute one) is taken directly from the website http://www.cooperativeresearch.org, a site which is full of links to "real" websites (comnmercial media) backing up all the evidence it presents. Pore over that site for a bit, as it probably has the best factual information. Look over the response times for the NORAD planes. It links right to US military sites where even they explain how errant aircraft should be intercepted within MINUTES, and not HOURS.

"Heck, I remember one post where he would not accept the fact that a person, freefalling in air, would hit the ground in less time than it takes a building to collapse to the ground."

I never said this. What I said was that it took one tower only four seconds more and the other just six seconds more to completely fall to the ground than a person falling in a vacuum.

"and let's just say, for arguements sake, that he was correct about the building. What would that prove?"

You see, this is why you can't seem to find any evidence of conspiracy, because even suspicious things are eluding you. In short, both buildings fell much quicker than they realistically should have. It took tower 2 just 4 more seconds to fall to the ground barreling through hundreds of TONS of weight trying tp stop its fall over a person who fell without obstruction. This is NOT NORMAL, and one does not even need a PhD in physics to see this.

http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/proof.htm

What this PROVES is that the only way for those buildings to have fallen as quickly as they did is if something HELPED them to come down (psst: EXPLOSIVES!) I have watched a lot of footage of the towers falling, and you can even see explosives going off at certain points.

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=685

Try to explain to me why a piece of the building blasts out, right below the point of impact of the plane, in the video in that link. I'd love to see what baloney you'll use to cover for this. Now, if the towers were brought down by explosives then a) the feds have been lying to us all along about an important part of their explanation of 9/11, and b) whoever set off those explosives MURDERED all the people inside those buildings. Basically whoever set off the bombs is a MASS MURDERER. Think this all might mean something?

"Nothing, so when a person won't accept simple physics as true, even when his version would prove nothing, I tend to doubt their reasoning ability, and their whole house of cards comes tumbling down."

You took the word right outta my mouth dude.

"What's really strange is Jeff sounds just like the kind of hippy (was/am one myself) that I would have partied with in my youth......... There is a difference in being "young and dumb", and just plain gullable. Which do you think Jeff is?"

Neither. It's quite funny that those that support and strive for honest open government and freedom for all peoples should be demonized as some irrelevant tree hugger. One doesn't need long hair and a joint in order to care about what is happening to America..; Posted by: Jeff Spicoli Posted on: 01/27/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use