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Yes and no
Eisenhower, yes. Goldwater no
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Eh....I think we need a better president than Bush...  Grayson Peddie | 05/11/06
Privacy  richhayes | 05/12/06
WTF??  BlackDiamond | 05/12/06
It amazes me how many uninformed people .. there are.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Re: It amazes me how many uninformed people .. there are.  none none | 05/12/06
Who's the criminals here, he who ask or he who gives?  ttracy@... | 05/15/06
Uninformed  JMFLA | 05/15/06
Twoseparate and distinct programs ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
eavesdropping on every one of us" How do you figure that?  billcremering@... | 05/15/06
Message has been deleted.  richhayes | 05/12/06
To answer your questions...  Zeppo9191 | 05/12/06
Your rights  firehound | 05/12/06
In what way  richhayes | 05/13/06
Re: In what way  none none | 05/13/06
You may be happier living in China.  el1jones | 05/12/06
Terrorists  richhayes | 05/12/06
But it's not terrorists I'm afraid of....  el1jones | 05/12/06
Again  richhayes | 05/12/06
question for ya rich  Monkey_MCSE | 05/12/06
And this is precisely the point  benyahuda | 05/12/06
Depends on your definition of terrorist  Orpheus the Cleric | 05/15/06
Privacy is being invaded.  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Did the NSA just provide a legal workaround for lawyers?  yyuko@... | 05/12/06
Try getting information from the NSA under the ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
FOIA  richhayes | 05/13/06
Would you change your mind if you realized ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
But Bush claims the right to jail me w/out trial  LouS | 05/12/06
Really! He mentioned you specifically ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Guantanamo  richhayes | 05/12/06
Ummm.. actually... that's wrong...  el1jones | 05/12/06
your partly wrong  richhayes | 05/12/06
Wow...  el1jones | 05/12/06
The answer is yes....  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
...nope...again.  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
To EL1Jones  richhayes | 05/13/06
Oh yes, you do.  FirstNLastN | 05/12/06
Children and Vanity  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
Democrats vs Republicans  Anthony S. | 05/11/06
Arlen Specter is a republican  bjbrock | 05/12/06
Specter  richhayes | 05/12/06
Moving towards the middle ground.  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Oh, really?  WhoIsDaMan | 05/12/06
Yes and no  richhayes | 05/13/06
This post contains more flaws then ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Defective, vain child...  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
Re: Defective, vain child...  none none | 05/13/06
ATTENTION:  jdonahue | 05/15/06
Lies, lies, lies.  sykandtyed | 05/11/06
So start lightning up the candles...  Arnout Groen | 05/12/06
Lies  richhayes | 05/12/06
do you not hear what you are saying....  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
Re: Lies  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
True, but there's even more to consider  T38 | 05/15/06
Unfortunately...  xode@... | 05/15/06
15 ro 30 thousand  baggins_z | 05/12/06
Then why hasn't he secured the boarders??  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Do you know how many people  ebrke | 05/12/06
What freedom have you given up?  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Ever heard of the term 'slippery slope'?  Prognosticator | 05/12/06
It is not my arguement.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Ahh, the all-powerful, all-knowing Supreme Court...  Zeppo9191 | 05/12/06
Whether you agree or not, what the ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
re: Whether you agree or not  Zeppo9191 | 05/15/06
FUNNY argument...  GuyAlanDye | 05/12/06
If you checked the facts ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Funny argument  sailor10 | 05/15/06
I don't understand why people who so hated Clinton  Laff | 05/15/06
So the outcome of a lie determines ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Slippery Slope does not apply  JMFLA | 05/15/06
How long a list do you want?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
All of these things you didn't have when ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Simply put, you are wrong as you can be.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/14/06
Nice arguement.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
List of Freedoms?  JMFLA | 05/15/06
Link it Bubba or Shutup!!!  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Just shutup!(nt)  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Nope You Shutup.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
So only liberal media count?  JMFLA | 05/15/06
No only independent media counts.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
Fox is independent.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Sure they are  osreinstall | 05/15/06
I've quoted more then one source so I must ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
All you quoted was Fox News.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
You must of missed the link to the specific court ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
I read your links  osreinstall | 05/16/06
I f you don't want to be tagged as a liberal...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
Shady this has nothing to do with your  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Beware of a liberal in ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
Beware of a fascist posing as a conservative.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Please identify those experts...  el1jones | 05/12/06
The expert was ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Another vain child.  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
whats a terrorist?  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
The chechks and balances are in place.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
no they aren't  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
The House and Senate Intelligence ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Yeah, that's why Congress is about to do the big smackdown on the Pres.  el1jones | 05/12/06
You wouldn't want to place a ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: The chechks and balances are in place.  none none | 05/13/06
A recent survey shows that 63% of ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: A recent survey shows that 63% of ...  none none | 05/15/06
You guys are quoting two separate programs ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You guys are confusing two seperate issues ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
The NSA didn't follow Federal Law.  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Sorry .. Wrong thread.. Please ignore..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Wrong Law and wrong reading.  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Re: 15 or 30 thousand  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
(agent Plame) to perpetuate their lies about Iran and it's WMD.  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
you don't own your phone number  Dixbert | 05/12/06
Agree..  rjpear@... | 05/12/06
Do you own your phone number?!?  bluelightbandit | 05/12/06
They don't need any legal authorization to do this!  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Surpreme court has not ruled..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Wrong!  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Fox news.. == Junkscience.. Show me the case cites.  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
As I said.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Citation  Robert Crocker | 05/12/06
Citation.. No good.. FISA pre-empted ..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
No, You are wrong Shady  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Pen register requires no warrant  Robert Crocker | 05/12/06
For the last time.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
re: Pen Register  osreinstall | 05/12/06
I hope so Shady.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
OSreinstall  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
P.S. OSreinstall  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Hey Shadetree. You have been wrong in all these boards.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
OSreinstall, you are the one that is wrong.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
No Shade, it is you that is totally wrong.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
Your links prove nothing other then ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You are incapable of any logic  osreinstall | 05/15/06
The name calling and refusal to accept the facts aside ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You started the name calling so live with it. Go to earlier posts.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
The problem is the name calling ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Hey, you started it. You reap what you sew.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
Yeah you and Laff are ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
Hey, you deserve it.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
I don't believe that you are in any position ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
I am in every position to tell you  osreinstall | 05/16/06
You're wrong  skeptic tank | 05/12/06
What I've heard  rapson | 05/12/06
The NSA still needs a warrant.. guess what they DON'T have?  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
No warrant is required and the information ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
was freely given.. it wasn't their's to give..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Are...  rapson | 05/12/06
Yes.. The phone # dialed is considered to be data..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
A former federal prosecutor and the Supreme Court disagree ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Whoopsy...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
You failed to read the definition.  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
I think my first reaction sums it up...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Nsa Survelliance  stky@... | 05/12/06
Thank you for the sanity!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
Re: Thank you for the sanity!  none none | 05/13/06
Data Mining is big business.  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
Supreme Court says:  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Ruling doesn't cover the country..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
All rulings of the Supreme Court cover ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Doesn't fly.. some states made it illegal..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
So you're trying to tell me...  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Wrong...  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
State Law cannot superceed Federal Law.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
The NSA didn't go before the FISA court.. no immunity  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Read the Constitution  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Defense argument doesn't fly..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
What doesn't fly is your contradicting of a ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
State law vs Federal  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
ONLY with a court order.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
No, they don't  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Not true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
Please provide a link to this so called charter.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
I will do it for him since you are a blockhead.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
But...  rapson | 05/12/06
This paragraph governs electronic surveillance ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
re: Rapson  osreinstall | 05/12/06
re: Shadetree  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Assumes facts not in evidence.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree, are you completely stupid?  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Please read what you copy and paste  firehound | 05/12/06
You need reading skills firebug.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Doesnt apply  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
You are wrong techanalyst  osreinstall | 05/17/06
Their charter ? Have you read it or worked for them?  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Corporate vs private vs regulatory information  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
You can't handle thr truth!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
You were close..  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Make them pay  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
No, give them to me for 10 minutes...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
Is big bad No_Axe going to kick the poor ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
As conservatives have proven over the years boycotts  Laff | 05/12/06
Why would a conservative suport a liberal cause?  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Some conservatives perhaps but I was taling about those  Laff | 05/12/06
I think your confusing libertarians with conservatives.(nt)  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
No...not at all.  Laff | 05/12/06
If you say it three times and ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
The past 12 years or so counts as a time period worthy of  Laff | 05/12/06
Quoting Newt Gingrich...  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
If you read the article then you know...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
By the same logic  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Message has been deleted.  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/12/06
(NT) Hate it when they do that :o)  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
He should be used to it though  Shelendrea | 05/12/06
Naw, it lent nothing to the topic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
Account has been deleted.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
You can bet...  rapson | 05/12/06
But that  Shelendrea | 05/12/06
As Chicken Little would say  People | 05/12/06
The Bell system  SysTech42 | 05/12/06
I know, I know some will say the constitution does NOT  Laff | 05/12/06
This is not a privacy issue according to ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
What is it about you Shade?  Laff | 05/12/06
Please don't take my word for it.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
And as my original post said.....  Laff | 05/12/06
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you say ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Very well armed thank you....originally from Maine you know.  Laff | 05/12/06
LOL, what a picture that makes ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
You don't know and now you are finally learning..BRAVO!!!  Laff | 05/12/06
Looksd like public opinion says your dead wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/13/06
A couple Republicans disagreeing with a President ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: This is not a privacy issue according to ...  none none | 05/13/06
Not you!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
And why did you ingnore my many points in that post?  Laff | 05/12/06
ok! Lets stop hunting for terrorist!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
Went from one extreme to the other eh?  Laff | 05/12/06
THIS IS NOT EAVESDROPPING!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
So they say...but in the end what does that mean?  Laff | 05/12/06
No you are the wordsmith.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
"Stop being sooooo stupid and gullible"  barsteward | 05/12/06
Syndicated Message?  Ole Man | 05/13/06
Governments are Paranoid Satanists  Graphic Equaliser | 05/16/06
You need help.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Hypocrisy of the Democrates  truth101 | 05/12/06
I could careless who did it firt!!!! As a matter of fact  Laff | 05/12/06
Low esteem for high tech  Ole Man | 05/13/06
Your the one that is acting ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Yes they are and quit being a useful idiot.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
Where is your proof that they are ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Don't need proof dummy.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
So because you have annointed yourself ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
No, because mine is based on common sense.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
You really are a trip shady one.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
So in the same post you say that ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You really are a trip shady one.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
It really isn't a large concern for me ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Me neither  osreinstall | 05/15/06
I love it when someone who never served ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You don't even know what you are talking about.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
There is a difference between mis-spelling ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
There is a difference between...  osreinstall | 05/16/06
I love it.  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
You love leaders that take away people's rights.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Re: Your the one that is acting ...  none none | 05/15/06
I do not!  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
And where and from whom would this "evidence of abuse"  Laff | 05/15/06
The proof should come from the press who ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
"Evidence"... like you would even know what that is.  Clanphier | 05/16/06
Re: I do not!  none none | 05/15/06
You cannot have transparency when it ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: You cannot have transparency when it ...  none none | 05/15/06
Once again you argue that your civil liberties ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
For the last time: Smith vs Maryland does not apply...  el1jones | 05/12/06
They did not get a warrant because ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
it can otherwise be said  People | 05/12/06
real Law  bka1959 | 05/12/06
re; Real Law  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You wennies make me sick!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
None taken....:)  Laff | 05/12/06
How do you know ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
This much is true...but what I am saying from the begining  Laff | 05/12/06
As you said there are checks and balances.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
So you and they say......Not a big warm and fuzzy I'm afraid.  Laff | 05/12/06
Sorry, again you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Re: Sorry, again you are wrong.  none none | 05/13/06
The oversight that was conducted ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Another what "Is" is arguement?  Laff | 05/15/06
What constitues oversight is a far different arguement ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
I don't think you are right in this matter....Shade.  Laff | 05/15/06
The process for notifying Congress is exactly ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You are right  People | 05/12/06
I just don't know  Laff | 05/12/06
You used the word I  People | 05/12/06
What makes me trust worthy?  Laff | 05/12/06
Better question!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
A fair question but not a better one.....:)  Laff | 05/13/06
Karl?  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
Wrong about the spying, right about the borders!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Re: Wrong about the spying, right about the borders!  none none | 05/13/06
... then you must be a terrorist...  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
I'm kind of hoping you were writing this in jest  stevey_d | 05/15/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
Well the pres has asked for prime time on  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
Probably more entertaining then listening to you ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Opnions vary.......  Laff | 05/15/06
No worries, they don't know anything  Boot_Agnostic | 05/13/06
"They that can give up essential liberty..."  The Rifleman | 05/13/06
Kinda wrong ...  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Thanks but no thanks...... I don't want safety, I want freedom.  Laff | 05/13/06
Hey Pagin  osreinstall | 05/13/06
Neocons are the perfect example of mankind in many ways  Laff | 05/13/06
Like you haven't created this whole paranoid ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
I don't think the government is out to get me per se.  Laff | 05/15/06
Then do it legally  J-Hermes | 05/14/06
They did it legally.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
So they say......  Laff | 05/15/06
So does the Author of FISA  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Wasn't there another FISA judge who out of disgust resigned?  Laff | 05/15/06
The Courts have already ruled so there ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Public call boxes and phones sold with sim cards  stevey_d | 05/15/06
Data mining call logs for leakers inside gov't  Flash00 | 05/15/06
Bush?!  prenaud@... | 05/15/06
But CALEA, as you said in your post  fire1 | 05/15/06
Data Mining = Illegal Snooping  rfr88@... | 05/15/06
What is a matter, exactly?  ITTech001 | 05/15/06
How blatant a lie  jwsteen@... | 05/15/06
Government  joemac1114 | 05/15/06
Baloney  lmenningen | 05/15/06
Great Talkback.  clockmendergb@... | 05/16/06
I never said that abuses could not occur ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
NSA is Defending Freedom  ZappBrannigan | 05/16/06
Reason vs politics.  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
Ignorance reigns over NSA surveillance..  znewt | 05/16/06
You got it WRONG!  cornelia@... | 05/16/06
Unfortunately, the American People  jlanders@... | 05/17/06
So another bogus political story.. what a suprise..  Techanalyst | 05/17/06

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