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Re: It amazes me how many uninformed people .. there are.
The Supreme Court has already ruled twice that the gathering of this type of information is legal. Unless you have some evidence that it is being used in some unlawfull manner then you really shouldn't have an issue with this.

Evidence on how it's used? That bar is too high as you well know because there never will be any evidence released to the public.

We do have evidence that Bush is a liar, as the story point out, because his explanation that one of the stations surveilled had to be overseas clearly was not the truth.

That being the case it would be imprudent to rely on the Bush administration to do the right thing with these data.

That the Supreme Court says it's legal isn't the point. The point is the Bush administration is secretly eavesdropping on every one of us, and lying about it. That's why people are angry.



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Eh....I think we need a better president than Bush...  Grayson Peddie | 05/11/06
Privacy  richhayes | 05/12/06
WTF??  BlackDiamond | 05/12/06
It amazes me how many uninformed people .. there are.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Re: It amazes me how many uninformed people .. there are.  none none | 05/12/06
Who's the criminals here, he who ask or he who gives?  ttracy@... | 05/15/06
Uninformed  JMFLA | 05/15/06
Twoseparate and distinct programs ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
eavesdropping on every one of us" How do you figure that?  billcremering@... | 05/15/06
Message has been deleted.  richhayes | 05/12/06
To answer your questions...  Zeppo9191 | 05/12/06
Your rights  firehound | 05/12/06
In what way  richhayes | 05/13/06
Re: In what way  none none | 05/13/06
You may be happier living in China.  el1jones | 05/12/06
Terrorists  richhayes | 05/12/06
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Again  richhayes | 05/12/06
question for ya rich  Monkey_MCSE | 05/12/06
And this is precisely the point  benyahuda | 05/12/06
Depends on your definition of terrorist  Orpheus the Cleric | 05/15/06
Privacy is being invaded.  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Did the NSA just provide a legal workaround for lawyers?  yyuko@... | 05/12/06
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FOIA  richhayes | 05/13/06
Would you change your mind if you realized ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
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Guantanamo  richhayes | 05/12/06
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your partly wrong  richhayes | 05/12/06
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...nope...again.  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
To EL1Jones  richhayes | 05/13/06
Oh yes, you do.  FirstNLastN | 05/12/06
Children and Vanity  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
Democrats vs Republicans  Anthony S. | 05/11/06
Arlen Specter is a republican  bjbrock | 05/12/06
Specter  richhayes | 05/12/06
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Defective, vain child...  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
Re: Defective, vain child...  none none | 05/13/06
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do you not hear what you are saying....  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
Re: Lies  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
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It is not my arguement.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Ahh, the all-powerful, all-knowing Supreme Court...  Zeppo9191 | 05/12/06
Whether you agree or not, what the ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
re: Whether you agree or not  Zeppo9191 | 05/15/06
FUNNY argument...  GuyAlanDye | 05/12/06
If you checked the facts ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Funny argument  sailor10 | 05/15/06
I don't understand why people who so hated Clinton  Laff | 05/15/06
So the outcome of a lie determines ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Slippery Slope does not apply  JMFLA | 05/15/06
How long a list do you want?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
All of these things you didn't have when ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Simply put, you are wrong as you can be.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/14/06
Nice arguement.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
List of Freedoms?  JMFLA | 05/15/06
Link it Bubba or Shutup!!!  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Just shutup!(nt)  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Nope You Shutup.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
So only liberal media count?  JMFLA | 05/15/06
No only independent media counts.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
Fox is independent.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Sure they are  osreinstall | 05/15/06
I've quoted more then one source so I must ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
All you quoted was Fox News.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
You must of missed the link to the specific court ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
I read your links  osreinstall | 05/16/06
I f you don't want to be tagged as a liberal...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
Shady this has nothing to do with your  osreinstall | 05/16/06
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Beware of a fascist posing as a conservative.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
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The expert was ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Another vain child.  jsteff@... | 05/12/06
whats a terrorist?  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
The chechks and balances are in place.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
no they aren't  JoeMama_z | 05/12/06
The House and Senate Intelligence ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Yeah, that's why Congress is about to do the big smackdown on the Pres.  el1jones | 05/12/06
You wouldn't want to place a ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: The chechks and balances are in place.  none none | 05/13/06
A recent survey shows that 63% of ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Re: A recent survey shows that 63% of ...  none none | 05/15/06
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You guys are confusing two seperate issues ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
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Wrong Law and wrong reading.  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Re: 15 or 30 thousand  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
(agent Plame) to perpetuate their lies about Iran and it's WMD.  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
you don't own your phone number  Dixbert | 05/12/06
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Wrong!  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Fox news.. == Junkscience.. Show me the case cites.  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
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Citation  Robert Crocker | 05/12/06
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re: Pen Register  osreinstall | 05/12/06
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OSreinstall  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
P.S. OSreinstall  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree  osreinstall | 05/12/06
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OSreinstall, you are the one that is wrong.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
No Shade, it is you that is totally wrong.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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You are incapable of any logic  osreinstall | 05/15/06
The name calling and refusal to accept the facts aside ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You started the name calling so live with it. Go to earlier posts.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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Hey, you started it. You reap what you sew.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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Hey, you deserve it.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
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I am in every position to tell you  osreinstall | 05/16/06
You're wrong  skeptic tank | 05/12/06
What I've heard  rapson | 05/12/06
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No warrant is required and the information ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
was freely given.. it wasn't their's to give..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Are...  rapson | 05/12/06
Yes.. The phone # dialed is considered to be data..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
A former federal prosecutor and the Supreme Court disagree ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Whoopsy...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
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I think my first reaction sums it up...  theillmunkeys | 05/12/06
Nsa Survelliance  stky@... | 05/12/06
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Data Mining is big business.  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
Supreme Court says:  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Ruling doesn't cover the country..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
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Doesn't fly.. some states made it illegal..  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
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Wrong...  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
State Law cannot superceed Federal Law.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
The NSA didn't go before the FISA court.. no immunity  thetruth_z | 05/12/06
Read the Constitution  krazytechie | 05/12/06
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What doesn't fly is your contradicting of a ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
State law vs Federal  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
ONLY with a court order.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
No, they don't  krazytechie | 05/12/06
Not true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/06
Please provide a link to this so called charter.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
I will do it for him since you are a blockhead.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
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This paragraph governs electronic surveillance ...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
re: Rapson  osreinstall | 05/12/06
re: Shadetree  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Assumes facts not in evidence.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
Shadetree, are you completely stupid?  osreinstall | 05/12/06
Please read what you copy and paste  firehound | 05/12/06
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You are wrong techanalyst  osreinstall | 05/17/06
Their charter ? Have you read it or worked for them?  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Corporate vs private vs regulatory information  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
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You were close..  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
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Quoting Newt Gingrich...  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
If you read the article then you know...  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
By the same logic  Techanalyst | 05/17/06
Message has been deleted.  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/12/06
(NT) Hate it when they do that :o)  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
He should be used to it though  Shelendrea | 05/12/06
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Account has been deleted.  osreinstall | 05/12/06
You can bet...  rapson | 05/12/06
But that  Shelendrea | 05/12/06
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The Bell system  SysTech42 | 05/12/06
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Syndicated Message?  Ole Man | 05/13/06
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I could careless who did it firt!!!! As a matter of fact  Laff | 05/12/06
Low esteem for high tech  Ole Man | 05/13/06
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Don't need proof dummy.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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You really are a trip shady one.  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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Me neither  osreinstall | 05/15/06
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it can otherwise be said  People | 05/12/06
real Law  bka1959 | 05/12/06
re; Real Law  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You wennies make me sick!  Reverend MacFellow | 05/12/06
None taken....:)  Laff | 05/12/06
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This much is true...but what I am saying from the begining  Laff | 05/12/06
As you said there are checks and balances.  ShadeTree | 05/12/06
So you and they say......Not a big warm and fuzzy I'm afraid.  Laff | 05/12/06
Sorry, again you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Re: Sorry, again you are wrong.  none none | 05/13/06
The oversight that was conducted ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Another what "Is" is arguement?  Laff | 05/15/06
What constitues oversight is a far different arguement ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
I don't think you are right in this matter....Shade.  Laff | 05/15/06
The process for notifying Congress is exactly ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
You are right  People | 05/12/06
I just don't know  Laff | 05/12/06
You used the word I  People | 05/12/06
What makes me trust worthy?  Laff | 05/12/06
Better question!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
A fair question but not a better one.....:)  Laff | 05/13/06
Karl?  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/12/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
Wrong about the spying, right about the borders!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Re: Wrong about the spying, right about the borders!  none none | 05/13/06
... then you must be a terrorist...  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
I'm kind of hoping you were writing this in jest  stevey_d | 05/15/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
I wonder about this  Rincon Bikerider | 05/12/06
Well the pres has asked for prime time on  sykandtyed | 05/12/06
Probably more entertaining then listening to you ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Opnions vary.......  Laff | 05/15/06
No worries, they don't know anything  Boot_Agnostic | 05/13/06
"They that can give up essential liberty..."  The Rifleman | 05/13/06
Kinda wrong ...  An_Axe_to_Grind | 05/13/06
Thanks but no thanks...... I don't want safety, I want freedom.  Laff | 05/13/06
Hey Pagin  osreinstall | 05/13/06
Neocons are the perfect example of mankind in many ways  Laff | 05/13/06
Like you haven't created this whole paranoid ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
I don't think the government is out to get me per se.  Laff | 05/15/06
Then do it legally  J-Hermes | 05/14/06
They did it legally.  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
So they say......  Laff | 05/15/06
So does the Author of FISA  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Wasn't there another FISA judge who out of disgust resigned?  Laff | 05/15/06
The Courts have already ruled so there ...  ShadeTree | 05/15/06
Public call boxes and phones sold with sim cards  stevey_d | 05/15/06
Data mining call logs for leakers inside gov't  Flash00 | 05/15/06
Bush?!  prenaud@... | 05/15/06
But CALEA, as you said in your post  fire1 | 05/15/06
Data Mining = Illegal Snooping  rfr88@... | 05/15/06
What is a matter, exactly?  ITTech001 | 05/15/06
How blatant a lie  jwsteen@... | 05/15/06
Government  joemac1114 | 05/15/06
Baloney  lmenningen | 05/15/06
Great Talkback.  clockmendergb@... | 05/16/06
I never said that abuses could not occur ...  ShadeTree | 05/16/06
NSA is Defending Freedom  ZappBrannigan | 05/16/06
Reason vs politics.  Techanalyst | 05/16/06
Ignorance reigns over NSA surveillance..  znewt | 05/16/06
You got it WRONG!  cornelia@... | 05/16/06
Unfortunately, the American People  jlanders@... | 05/17/06
So another bogus political story.. what a suprise..  Techanalyst | 05/17/06

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