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So you can't disprove the EFF's reasoning?

---You need to read the copyright office link I gave you instead
of all the wishful thinking of the EFF. The copyright office tells
you to get permission from the author to avoid litigation and
anything can be weighed against you depending on your intent
of the fair use. Google is flat out wrong on this one. All of your
arguing is wrong also. The critics or reviewers you gave as
examples were not word for word copies. Only the author can do
this, not Google.---

So again you choose to attack the messenger, rather than the
message. You don't seem to have any arguments against what
the EFF says, other than that you don't like the EFF. Again, I
have read the copyright office's page. They tell you:
"The safest course is always to get permission from the
copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The
Copyright Office cannot give this permission."
This does not say that you have to seek permission. They say
that the safest course is to ask permission, but in no way is it a
requirement. And that's the whole point of fair use--there are
some times where you don't need permission.

As for the critics and reviewers--now you're changing your
argument. Previously, you said:
"The synopsis the author wants is on Amazon. Not whatever is
datamined in the book. They do not want the ending disclosed"

So now you clearly see that what's on Amazon is not just what
the author wants, and they can disclose the ending if Amazon
chooses to do so. So now you've changed your argument to:
"The critics or reviewers you gave as examples were not word for
word copies. Only the author can do this, not Google."

Again, you are wrong. Any of these reviews can contain word for
word copies of excerpts from the work. Many reviews contain
quotes, often of long passages. How is this any different from
Google giving one or two sentences to someone searching?

And remember, if you're arguing that the difference is that
Google is copying the entire text and only displaying a part, then
you're also arguing for the outlawing of MSN Search, Yahoo and
all other web search engines.

---As for me not being pro-business you are wrong. Your
business models will not work here or in the RIAA. If they did the
business people would use them. That is usually your most
important clue. If sucessful business folks will not use or adopt
your ideas, your ideas then suck. Sometimes business models
require restrictions. You cannot seem to grasp this idea.---

Here's what you're failing to understand here. This is a superb
business model, and the reason you're seeing the lawsuits by
publishers is that they want to implement the same thing, or
better yet, charge Google for implementing it. They see it as
something that is going to be wildly successful, and they are
demanding a cut, even though they've done none of the actual
work to make it happen. The same goes for the RIAA. They
certainly realize there's a huge market in p2p downloads of
songs--so much so that they're all starting their own p2p
networks (Shawn Fannings new network, Snocap, is an example,
partnering with some of the RIAA labels). So the issue isn't that
the business model is bad, it's that you have different
businesses fighting over who gets to control it, and who gets to
profit from it.

---Quit breaking the paragraphs apart and respond with a
general idea.---

I have made an effort here to quote your entire paragraphs.
However, you often make several points within a paragraph that
each require their own comment.

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