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---Google is arguing this is fair use rights which it clearly isn't. They are caching too much of the book's contents. With your answers, I know you didn't read my link. The copyright office says you must get permission to publish any contents, even those 10 second trailers.---

No. A complete misunderstanding of fair use laws. You don't need to ask permission if the use is deemed "fair use", no matter how much of the work is re-used. Here's a good explanation:
http://www.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php
Congress never intended Copyright law to give copyright holders complete control of their works.

There are no clear-cut rules for deciding what's fair use and there are no "automatic" classes of fair uses. Fair use is decided by a judge, on a case by case basis, after balancing the four factors listed in section 107 of the Copyright statute. The factors to be considered include:

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes -- Courts are more likely to find fair use where the use is for noncommercial purposes.
The nature of the copyrighted work -- A particular use is more likely to be fair where the copied work is factual rather than creative.
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole -- A court will balance this factor toward a finding of fair use where the amount taken is small or insignificant in proportion to the overall work.
The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work -- If the court finds the newly created work is not a substitute product for the copyrighted work, it will be more likely to weigh this factor in favor of fair use.
4. What's been recognized as fair use?

Courts have previously found that a use was fair where the use of the copyrighted work was socially beneficial. In particular, U.S. courts have recognized the following fair uses: criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, research and parodies.

---They do have a right on how their product is marketed. Google did not sign any contracts and I would also sue them. Without control, you would not be able to enforce payment. Your LA link is dead.---

Again, where are such rights codified as law? Answer, they aren't. If you publish a book, I can go on Amazon and write any kind of review I want. Hence, you've just lost control of how the book is being marketed. Any bookstore in the world can put your book on sale for any price they want. No such control exists, nor is it guaranteed.

LA Times link again:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-mediavore25sep25,0,4447438.sto
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The question is,  rapson | 10/19/05
Answer  Loverock Davidson | 10/19/05
You are both completely wrong  tic swayback | 10/19/05
There is a little difference  John Zern | 10/19/05
Lots of websites charge money for access  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Isn't profiting the point  voska | 10/19/05
Profiting is NOT the Point!  Noel@... | 10/19/05
I don't think so  voska | 10/19/05
I beg to differ  dayjm | 10/19/05
Scanners don't matter  voska | 10/20/05
Your opinion is not very well informed  tic swayback | 10/19/05
No, you don't understand copyright law nor Google Print  johnfwilhite@... | 10/20/05
Here we go  Protector | 10/19/05
If you're saying...  rapson | 10/19/05
Another point  rapson | 10/19/05
Publishers' rights are limited by law  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Yes, but Google is not being fair.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Incorrect  tic swayback | 10/19/05
I am not that far off  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Running roughshod?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Doesn't matter even if it helps.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Where is that right guaranteed?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
You are wrong again.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Fair Use Is Determained by The Courts  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
I'm not wrong  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Re-do on the link  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Tic, you are wrong.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Osreinstall parody isn't the only fair use  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
Did you read that page yourself?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
It will be interesting Ed.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Tic, this isn't fair use.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Let a judge decide  voska | 10/20/05
A judge will decide if it's fair use  tic swayback | 10/20/05
The judge will not decide the way you want.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Now you're a fortune teller?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Doesn't take a fortune teller to use common sense.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Copyright is copyright  tic swayback | 10/20/05
The EFF is not the end all be all.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
So you can't disprove the EFF's reasoning?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Not really  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Really  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Crud, having typing issues, here's the rest.  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Google isn't all that great.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
You have some major misconceptions  tic swayback | 10/21/05
And you have more  osreinstall | 10/21/05
Just trying to clear up a few facts for you...  tic swayback | 10/21/05
Clear yourself up first.  osreinstall | 10/21/05
I'm in the publishing industry, I know of which I speak  tic swayback | 10/21/05
I will look for that pay me to display me idea.  osreinstall | 10/21/05
Sounds like you favor an opt out system  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Kane  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Wow!  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Opt out if other conditions are met  osreinstall | 10/23/05
So it's OK that someone should...  John Zern | 10/19/05
If The Copyright Is Expired  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
Only if the book is in the public domain...  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Only public domain stuff  voska | 10/20/05
Copyright Holder's Rights Versus Limitations and Exceptions  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
The really stupid thing about this lawsuit  tic swayback | 10/19/05
As it should be  rapson | 10/19/05
The great irony of this  tic swayback | 10/19/05
So do they sue bookstores next?  voska | 10/19/05
These groups are incredibly stupid  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Google's wrong for this reason...  John Zern | 10/19/05
Google is not wrong, but you are  johnfwilhite@... | 10/20/05
Then that part was not mentioned...  John Zern | 10/20/05
Publishers have no control over this  voska | 10/20/05
Thats true. Anybody could buy the book...  John Zern | 10/20/05
Next: Search CD & DVD  joemartn | 10/19/05
Isn't that already available for cd's?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Welcome to the big time  John Zern | 10/19/05
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