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Profiting is NOT the Point!
Thumbing through books in a bookstore is a world apart from what is the real issue here. When you look at a book in a store or library, you are not "reproducing" that book nor are you making multiple copies! Except for narrowly-restricted educational and research purposes, you cannot "reproduce" a book "by any means", elctronic or otherwise. I love Google and many of their projects, but at this point, if Google goes forward with its proposal, they are simply breaking the law as I understand it: they are reproducing a book in its entirety (and that's the point), and allowing multiple copies of the book - whether page by page at a time or a large "chunk" at a time, to be downloaded, read...and thereby anyone can avoid buying a book (including your public library!!)... Google has gone far beyond and idea of "fair play" in this proposal and for anyone to even use the word "fair" in this case only proves they do not understand not only the copyright law itself, but the spirit of the that law. Google's proposal would largely prevent the creator of the work, and the publisher, from deriving benefit and income from the marketing of that solely-owned creative work. Just my informed opinion.
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Publishers sue Google over book search project  Loverock Davidson | 10/19/05
The question is,  rapson | 10/19/05
Answer  Loverock Davidson | 10/19/05
You are both completely wrong  tic swayback | 10/19/05
There is a little difference  John Zern | 10/19/05
Lots of websites charge money for access  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Isn't profiting the point  voska | 10/19/05
Profiting is NOT the Point!  Noel@... | 10/19/05
I don't think so  voska | 10/19/05
I beg to differ  dayjm | 10/19/05
Scanners don't matter  voska | 10/20/05
Your opinion is not very well informed  tic swayback | 10/19/05
No, you don't understand copyright law nor Google Print  johnfwilhite@... | 10/20/05
Here we go  Protector | 10/19/05
If you're saying...  rapson | 10/19/05
Another point  rapson | 10/19/05
Publishers' rights are limited by law  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Yes, but Google is not being fair.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Incorrect  tic swayback | 10/19/05
I am not that far off  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Running roughshod?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Doesn't matter even if it helps.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Where is that right guaranteed?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
You are wrong again.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Fair Use Is Determained by The Courts  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
I'm not wrong  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Re-do on the link  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Tic, you are wrong.  osreinstall | 10/19/05
Osreinstall parody isn't the only fair use  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
Did you read that page yourself?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
It will be interesting Ed.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Tic, this isn't fair use.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Let a judge decide  voska | 10/20/05
A judge will decide if it's fair use  tic swayback | 10/20/05
The judge will not decide the way you want.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Now you're a fortune teller?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Doesn't take a fortune teller to use common sense.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Copyright is copyright  tic swayback | 10/20/05
The EFF is not the end all be all.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
So you can't disprove the EFF's reasoning?  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Not really  osreinstall | 10/20/05
Really  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Crud, having typing issues, here's the rest.  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Google isn't all that great.  osreinstall | 10/20/05
You have some major misconceptions  tic swayback | 10/21/05
And you have more  osreinstall | 10/21/05
Just trying to clear up a few facts for you...  tic swayback | 10/21/05
Clear yourself up first.  osreinstall | 10/21/05
I'm in the publishing industry, I know of which I speak  tic swayback | 10/21/05
I will look for that pay me to display me idea.  osreinstall | 10/21/05
Sounds like you favor an opt out system  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Kane  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Wow!  tic swayback | 10/23/05
Opt out if other conditions are met  osreinstall | 10/23/05
So it's OK that someone should...  John Zern | 10/19/05
If The Copyright Is Expired  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
Only if the book is in the public domain...  tic swayback | 10/20/05
Only public domain stuff  voska | 10/20/05
Copyright Holder's Rights Versus Limitations and Exceptions  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
The really stupid thing about this lawsuit  tic swayback | 10/19/05
As it should be  rapson | 10/19/05
The great irony of this  tic swayback | 10/19/05
So do they sue bookstores next?  voska | 10/19/05
These groups are incredibly stupid  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Google's wrong for this reason...  John Zern | 10/19/05
Google is not wrong, but you are  johnfwilhite@... | 10/20/05
Then that part was not mentioned...  John Zern | 10/20/05
Publishers have no control over this  voska | 10/20/05
Thats true. Anybody could buy the book...  John Zern | 10/20/05
Next: Search CD & DVD  joemartn | 10/19/05
Isn't that already available for cd's?  tic swayback | 10/19/05
Welcome to the big time  John Zern | 10/19/05
Then Why Was BnetD Sued  Ed_Meyers | 10/19/05
Lawsuits against Google Print Search interfere with research  johnfwilhite@... | 10/20/05

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