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..then learn about the limitations of web browsers...
Where are you talking from (besides the obvious happy )?
A developer?
Netscape released Javascript. We all used and use it. It wasn't a standard for years after release.
It still has occasional problems.
Should we scrap it?

Mozilla has a HTTP request and XML objects built in. They mimic the IE ActiveX equivalents.
They're not part of any standard that I know of so again, should they be used?

..For a rich client experience try a language designed for the task (eg Java), or use web interfaces as they were intended (limitations and all)....

I agree on the former but would add .Net clients to the mix. The latter, us developers try to push the limitations rather than rethink the green screens of yesteryear.

Joe
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yet more recommendations  hipparchus2000 | 01/20/05
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As if to prove the point  Richard Flude | 01/20/05
What!? Since when is functionality bad coding?  troy@... | 01/20/05
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Tool, wrong, Flude  seosamh_z | 01/20/05
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Re: How can you not blame MSFT?  Uncle Buck | 01/20/05
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RE: what choice do you have with windows?  linuxoverwindows | 01/20/05
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Pointing finger is all we have!  Mack DaNife | 01/20/05
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IPSEC tastes better than swiss cheese.  toadlife | 01/20/05
experts anonymous  linuxoverwindows | 01/20/05
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Legal action directed to sponsor.  al192 | 01/22/05
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I tried Linux  mackswift_z | 01/20/05
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A post from a typical user  Confused by religion | 01/20/05
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Internet Police  markg4269 | 01/20/05
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crime and punishment  linuxoverwindows | 01/20/05
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Public Enemy #1 is still users  mikez@... | 01/20/05
Mike as got right - BONEHEADS  lwpenn@... | 01/20/05
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real work?  linuxoverwindows | 01/20/05
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Yeah, sure!  M.Fridholm | 01/21/05
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Spyware: IT's public enemy No. 1  doc_cotton | 01/26/05
Spyware  julio_rodriguez_p | 01/20/05
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For those wondering...  Anton Philidor | 01/20/05
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Criminal Microsoft  rdutro@... | 01/20/05
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antiSpywareFake  hlee_z | 01/20/05
Spyware Removal  doc_cotton | 01/26/05
READ THE EULA!!!  dbrimlow | 01/20/05
read the eula  hlee_z | 01/21/05
1 simple solution  Lingo Kaiser | 01/20/05
no it is not a factor at all  Lingo Kaiser | 01/20/05
An attempt at a summary  Dave F_z | 01/20/05
"Policies" is a good word.  Anton Philidor | 01/21/05
Rights of Personal Property  orionsig | 01/20/05
Firefox vs IE  orionsig | 01/20/05
anti-spyware  earle_z | 01/20/05
How hard is it to see?  Hugh Jass | 01/20/05
They should  IT Scion | 01/20/05
Not an ad, per se...  Hugh Jass | 01/20/05
Me too  IT Scion | 01/21/05
kill all the spyware criminals  cyberlogic | 01/20/05
A little late on this  IT Scion | 01/20/05
Most Businesses Have No Clue  bampcs | 01/20/05
move to Xandros  cf1amm | 01/21/05
Spyware  jgblake@... | 01/21/05
Shameless Plug....  jay@... | 01/21/05
No, not really  S.Howard-Sarin ZDNet Moderator | 01/21/05
Wrong Target: {was "Spyware: IT's public enemy No. 1"}  Joe_Wulf@... | 01/21/05
Some one tell me...  la@... | 01/21/05
Seen the recent court cases?  Anton Philidor | 01/21/05
Spyware solutions and the DREAM  robapacl@... | 01/21/05
Leave the dream ... enter the nightmare  mdfischer | 01/21/05
Message has been deleted.  jbx233 | 01/21/05
Just another Internet Pest to fight  kevin510 | 01/21/05
SurfControl  crm_z | 01/21/05
Really? does IT have WMD?  Rashavarek | 01/21/05
Torture Spammers !  gsxrhawaii@... | 01/22/05
Users can alter FF's behavior.  thetruth_z | 01/22/05
Whining  Crestview | 01/22/05
I bet you can do it.  duglus | 01/23/05
Microsoft products were not meant to be secure  mystic100 | 01/22/05
Should be called viruses  Uncle Opie | 01/22/05
Definition of spyware needed  RosoftEngineering | 01/24/05
I have an easy fix  carterszoo | 01/26/05

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