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Java is a *tiny* part of the whole that is not necessary to run the whole. Whereas the opposite is not true. e.g. A window in a car is useless without the door and/or body ... yep ... the window will have less problems. Wow ... what a shocker! Try driving that window to another city though. Then to compare the two (Java vs. MS/Linux) ... give us a break will you?

BTW ... we also run Linux, Unix, MS, Java and I'll program in Java for webs.

I run with most everything turned on at home ... I get no virii, trojans, worms (in at least the past 5 years or since I can remember) ... oh, wait, I practice safe computing.

Guys ... everything has holes ... put the blame where it REALLY should be ... the user. This is not to say that they shouldn't be patching ... but, give us a break ... MOST of what infects any system is because of absolute stupidity of the user.

IF you don't trust yourself enough ... then by all means ... DISABLE (or don't install) Java - as someone else commented. But, don't call that act one of virtue. It's not. It's an act of being scared of what YOU might do out of stupidity.
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Hear hear!  Yen_z | 11/23/04
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Mr. Butts is correct  PA-ITGuy | 11/24/04
Better design?  NonZealot | 11/23/04
And, as usual,  AmusedAtItAll | 11/23/04
Consider yourself challenged  NonZealot | 11/23/04
Re: Consider yourself challenged  richdave | 11/23/04
I'm sorry  NonZealot | 11/24/04
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Finally a message worth putting some thought into  NonZealot | 11/23/04
Ah you try to flame... but only blow smoke!  Linux User 147560 | 11/23/04
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NonZealot is RIGHT!!!  DragonBRockin | 11/24/04
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wolf  Martin Marvinski | 11/24/04
Irony is I am not an Admin!  Linux User 147560 | 11/24/04
Good, glad we could agree  NonZealot | 11/24/04
RE: Good glad we could agree  Linux User 147560 | 11/24/04
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RE: fantastic  NonZealot | 11/24/04
Either that or...  rapson | 11/24/04
Re: Film at 11:00  richdave | 11/23/04
Oh come on....  mobrien_12@... | 11/23/04
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oh - And...  Linux_Developer | 11/24/04
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Could it be...  PA-ITGuy | 11/23/04
Well...  rapson | 11/23/04
And see what hapens  PA-ITGuy | 11/23/04
Heres the problem *I* see  supercharlie | 11/23/04
If you're running J2RE it does autoupdate.  PA-ITGuy | 11/23/04
Perhaps I should add  PA-ITGuy | 11/23/04
Not necessarily  rapson | 11/23/04
Re:Not necessarily  PA-ITGuy | 11/23/04
Carl, it's the end users who are affected  Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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Almost...  David Hamilton | 11/24/04
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