Catastrophic loss for unencumbered standards

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anton and noax churning out the old BS about communism: This isn't some philosophical discussion between two impartial people, it's an arranged colouration of the topic by two Microsoft Evangelists.
(heck could be one person behind those two user ids).
Microsoft, as IBM once did, NEVER STOPS trying to control IT by proprietary standards.
NoAx fails to mention the bulk of webservers are free software based, and so most Internet Infrastructure would not work with Microsoft's controlled IP standard (without the complexity of licensing issues).
Is the idea that good? No. If it was, people would bite the bullet.
Microsoft could try removing the exploits from Outlook and Outlook Express by preventing execution of any ActiveX stuff. But no. There is no profit in making good software.; Posted by: hipparchus2000 Posted on: 09/26/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Of course you have to blame Microsoft. Xunil_Sierutuf | 09/24/04

Of course YOU have to blame Microsoft.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

Made a good point though about IE thing(NT) voska | 09/24/04

Not really.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

SenderID minus the contamination = SPF Nigel Johnstone | 09/24/04

Thanks for the info! Yen_z | 09/24/04

SPF seems workable as-is. stefan fiala | 09/24/04

You are a lamer Hayvern | 09/24/04

Well... php_developer | 09/24/04

really? richdave | 09/26/04

The open source comunity could have a working standard in no time. DonnieBoy | 09/24/04

Patents htotten | 09/24/04

David, two sides of the coin. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

I wouldn't be surprised.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

re: I wouldn't be surprised.. richdave | 09/26/04

Philosophical purity Anton Philidor | 09/24/04

I have to disagree. At least in this case. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

They've done it before, will again. Anton Philidor | 09/24/04

You missed key point... No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

Agreed. Arguing motive only. Anton Philidor | 09/24/04

We both agree then. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

And yet, you both are wrong.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

No you are wrong there. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

Yes.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

We shall see. (nt) No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

The problem is... John L. Ries | 09/25/04

the ramblings of two intellectual lightweights hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

You both missed the point none none | 09/25/04

anton and noax churning out the old BS about communism hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

One major problem.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

But what happened? No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

So.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

I'm taking my ball and going home. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

If that is your attitude... Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

re: But what happened? richdave | 09/26/04

NoAx never ever gives proof of anything just warped opinions hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

i agree ms should of plaid nice V Sanders | 09/24/04

Standards for Interoperability chodne@... | 09/24/04

That is one opinion, that of the small minority. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

Yes.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

Not worth the effort... No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

Pathetic.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

Sorry you are qwrong. No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

So you have an insider? Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

NoAx never ever gives proof of anything just warped opinions hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

Your not winning the argument here voska | 09/24/04

Re: That is one opinion, that of the small minority. none none | 09/25/04

The Internet is built on open standards... John L. Ries | 09/25/04

re: That is one opinion, that of the small minority. richdave | 09/26/04

Why standards should be open... RestonTechAlec | 09/26/04

Is IS open to all.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

100% spot on! (nt) No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

once again total lack of proof of any kind makes NoAx look pathetic hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

There is a big reason.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

Who had to pay for anything? No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04

Maybe.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

re:Who had to pay for anything? richdave | 09/26/04

an IETF standard has nothing to do with GNU Public Licence hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

Pay what??! d_jedi | 09/24/04

True.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

Well.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

Patents are probably the issue voska | 09/24/04

Voska, we agree, almost. Anton Philidor | 09/24/04

d_jedi, you say "microsoft said this", "free software people said". PROOF hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

100% spot on V Sanders | 09/24/04

Re: Is IS open to all.. none none | 09/25/04

Which 90% ? Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04

he ment 90% of the most up to date windows users V Sanders | 09/24/04

Re: David, two sides of the coin. none none | 09/25/04

Thanks, this puts NoAx firmly in his place hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

Microsoft & "Standards" Cannot Be in the same Sentence. brenthawkinsmd | 09/24/04

Right! It's an Oxymoron. Irritated User | 10/01/04

In this case, who IS Goliath? alterego_z | 09/24/04

Meeting breakdown is just a set back. SPF is alive and well. Peter Komisar | 09/24/04

Yes, hear hear! cfortune | 09/24/04

What does Microsoft intend to do? Anton Philidor | 09/24/04

How.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

What's to stop... John L. Ries | 09/25/04

Agreed. Anton Philidor | 09/26/04

Re: What does Microsoft intend to do? none none | 09/25/04

and also none none | 09/25/04

"... devolved the functionality to the client ..." Anton Philidor | 09/26/04

Is an ID really necessary? mgfint | 09/24/04

Sort of.. Patrick Jones | 09/24/04

Re: Sort of.. none none | 09/25/04

I agree V Sanders | 09/26/04

Patents htotten | 09/24/04

Why innovate when you can merely imitate.. d_jedi | 09/24/04

Yes, Get Real! Irritated User | 10/01/04

Still no internet standards from Medicoresoft kensys | 09/24/04

ROYALTY FREE?? d_jedi | 09/24/04

what a giant contribution! hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04

Only an MS loyalist would regard patented/licensed to be a donation kensys | 09/29/04

SPF is quietly taking over - and quickly! cfortune | 09/24/04

SPF is still the perfect compliment to sendiotc | 09/24/04

we all know that monitoring spam V Sanders | 09/24/04

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