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David, two sides of the coin.
One could just as easily say the problem is open source. The truth of the matter is 90% of all users could have a solution tomorrow (figuratively speaking) had the proposed offerings from MS been accepted. What we have here is open source doing all it can to make itself significant and trying to find a way to participate on even footing with the for-profits.

The problem is that any for-profit can easily obtain a license and use this system, the ONLY group left out is open source. Truly a case of the tail wagging the dog.

In truth as I see this same issue (standards) come up every time there is a clash between proprietary and open source. Of course the open source community wants everything made available to them for free and without restriction, unfortunately the world just doesn't work that way and we end up with 90% of all users being held in limbo for the sake of the few.

Do I care if MS (or someone else) holds a patent on it? Not in the least. Do I care about how e-mail is going down the drain and is becoming more headaches than it's worth? You bet! And to tell the truth I would say most people feel the same way.

The saving grace is that for-profits see a need and where there is a need there is an opportunity. They will of course try to meet this need and a "standard" will come about through common use regardless of what a back room group likes or dislikes. It will simply take longer and the vast majority of user will have to wait longer than they should have. All for the sake of the disenchanted few...
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Of course you have to blame Microsoft.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 09/24/04
Of course YOU have to blame Microsoft..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
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You are a lamer  Hayvern | 09/24/04
Well...  php_developer | 09/24/04
really?  richdave | 09/26/04
The open source comunity could have a working standard in no time.  DonnieBoy | 09/24/04
Patents  htotten | 09/24/04
David, two sides of the coin.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
I wouldn't be surprised..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
re: I wouldn't be surprised..  richdave | 09/26/04
Philosophical purity  Anton Philidor | 09/24/04
I have to disagree. At least in this case.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
They've done it before, will again.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/04
You missed key point...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Agreed. Arguing motive only.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/04
We both agree then.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
And yet, you both are wrong..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
No you are wrong there.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Yes..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
We shall see. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
The problem is...  John L. Ries | 09/25/04
the ramblings of two intellectual lightweights  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
You both missed the point  none none | 09/25/04
anton and noax churning out the old BS about communism  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
One major problem..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
But what happened?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
So..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
I'm taking my ball and going home.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
If that is your attitude...  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
re: But what happened?  richdave | 09/26/04
NoAx never ever gives proof of anything just warped opinions  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
i agree ms should of plaid nice  V Sanders | 09/24/04
Standards for Interoperability  chodne@... | 09/24/04
That is one opinion, that of the small minority.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Yes..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
Not worth the effort...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Pathetic..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
Sorry you are qwrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
So you have an insider?  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
NoAx never ever gives proof of anything just warped opinions  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
Your not winning the argument here  voska | 09/24/04
Re: That is one opinion, that of the small minority.  none none | 09/25/04
The Internet is built on open standards...  John L. Ries | 09/25/04
re: That is one opinion, that of the small minority.  richdave | 09/26/04
Why standards should be open...  RestonTechAlec | 09/26/04
Is IS open to all..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
100% spot on! (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
once again total lack of proof of any kind makes NoAx look pathetic  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
There is a big reason..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
Who had to pay for anything?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/24/04
Maybe..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
re:Who had to pay for anything?  richdave | 09/26/04
an IETF standard has nothing to do with GNU Public Licence  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
Pay what??!  d_jedi | 09/24/04
True..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
Well..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
Patents are probably the issue  voska | 09/24/04
Voska, we agree, almost.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/04
d_jedi, you say "microsoft said this", "free software people said". PROOF  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
100% spot on  V Sanders | 09/24/04
Re: Is IS open to all..  none none | 09/25/04
Which 90% ?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/24/04
he ment 90% of the most up to date windows users  V Sanders | 09/24/04
Re: David, two sides of the coin.  none none | 09/25/04
Thanks, this puts NoAx firmly in his place  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
Microsoft & "Standards" Cannot Be in the same Sentence.  brenthawkinsmd | 09/24/04
Right! It's an Oxymoron.  Irritated User | 10/01/04
In this case, who IS Goliath?  alterego_z | 09/24/04
Meeting breakdown is just a set back. SPF is alive and well.  Peter Komisar | 09/24/04
Yes, hear hear!  cfortune | 09/24/04
What does Microsoft intend to do?  Anton Philidor | 09/24/04
How..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
What's to stop...  John L. Ries | 09/25/04
Agreed.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/04
Re: What does Microsoft intend to do?  none none | 09/25/04
and also  none none | 09/25/04
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Sort of..  Patrick Jones | 09/24/04
Re: Sort of..  none none | 09/25/04
I agree  V Sanders | 09/26/04
Patents  htotten | 09/24/04
Why innovate when you can merely imitate..  d_jedi | 09/24/04
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what a giant contribution!  hipparchus2000 | 09/26/04
Only an MS loyalist would regard patented/licensed to be a donation  kensys | 09/29/04
SPF is quietly taking over - and quickly!  cfortune | 09/24/04
SPF is still the perfect compliment to  sendiotc | 09/24/04
we all know that monitoring spam  V Sanders | 09/24/04

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