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Last year alone the cost to clean up the massive security mess that is attributahle to the MS platform was $ 200 Billions. Larger companies foot a bill that can run up to $ 5 million every time a major virus outbreak hits their PCs.

Can you give me a cost estimate for clean up for NON-MS platforms?

The fact that a PC no matter HOW MUCH EFFORT one invest on it REMAINS vulnerable HAS NOTHING TO DO with the PC count.
A hardened UNIX box is extremely hard to compromise. At the same time its functionality is NOT impaired by the security measures. A `hardened' PC would be almost unusable and you can NOT make it sufficiently hardened.

These are basic facts.


What you are talking about is the SPAM or the DoS attacks which can reduce the service or cripple different systems. But there is something called IPsec and there are transport layer protocols (TLS, SSL) which can provide the basic secure information transfer: authentication, encryption, integrity and non-repudiation. You can have secure transport for HTTP, SMTP and other protocols.

The little fact that you do not discuss is that it is objectively far easier to compromise a common ms windows PC than other more serious platforms. But ms windows were designed for the techno-less people so it DEFIES LOGIC the fact that by default ALL kinds of front or backdoors (and windows) are open....

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Here's an option  Domb2 | 07/27/04
RE:Here's an option  dnirG_ot_xA_oN | 07/27/04
Not a bad idea. And all software, OS's included,...  bjbrock | 07/27/04
won't work now too many people already have peecees  Squawkbox | 07/27/04
And get a license to leave you house.  voska | 07/27/04
This is the STUPIDIST thing I've read here in months...  BitTwiddler | 07/28/04
Thank you.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/28/04
Stupid is as Stupid does....  Wolfie2K3 | 07/28/04
This is the STUPIDIST thing I've read here in months...  blacksheepxlch1 | 07/29/04
MyDoom  wtasbury@... | 07/29/04
MyDoom  blacksheepxlch1 | 07/29/04
Here is a wiser option  michael-t | 07/27/04
I like your idea the best  Squawkbox | 07/27/04
I think  michael-t | 07/27/04
You've got my vote too.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/27/04
You have to ask your self  agottschald | 07/30/04
the problem with infected email  balsover | 07/27/04
Microsoft's popularity and malware spread  Anton Philidor | 07/27/04
Apple also caters to the IQ challanged crowd  balsover | 07/27/04
Ha, Mac users on average are SMARTER...  ITGuy04 | 07/28/04
If your so so smart...  somethinginnovative | 07/29/04
Blocklists  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/27/04
most infected email that I receive  balsover | 07/27/04
Briefing needed:  michael-t | 07/27/04
you are a little out of touch  balsover | 07/27/04
Speak of being out of touch...  MacCanuck | 07/28/04
Buy a Clue....  ITGuy04 | 07/28/04
1st worm was NOT for Windows  bwklatt@... | 07/29/04
Very out of touch  johnnyu | 07/28/04
Good point I would only add atleast one more thing.  computer_man | 07/27/04
OK I'm no rocket scientist...  Richard Flude | 07/27/04
Perhaps for the same reason...  balsover | 07/27/04
Enjoy your prison  Sunny Jalolly | 07/27/04
No, not the same at all  Richard Flude | 07/27/04
What's wrong with improving?  somethinginnovative | 07/29/04
Rocket scientist  uno@... | 07/29/04
Oops  uno@... | 07/29/04
Ya damned Skippy!  BitTwiddler | 07/28/04
Yeah, Let's Have More Regulation!!!  gsquared | 07/29/04
What if the ISP's  balsover | 07/27/04
OOOBIE DOOBIE would you want to be that ISP's tech support  Squawkbox | 07/27/04
If people were told  balsover | 07/27/04
Good one Bombay......I like that  Squawkbox | 07/27/04
One more thing that works good  computer_man | 07/27/04
Several do  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/27/04
You could position it as a service.  enduser_z | 07/27/04
The capitalistic way ..will save you .....not  george@... | 07/29/04
ISP do pull the plug....  middle of nowhere | 07/27/04
Dang, I need to train my fingers to hit the proper keys!!!  middle of nowhere | 07/27/04
my take...  ryusen | 07/27/04
your take ...  PJfromOttawa | 07/28/04
at last a smart person .  george@... | 07/29/04
"I see the future...booooooo"  george@... | 07/29/04
More reasons to NOT USE WINDOWS  ITGuy04 | 07/27/04
The sky is falling, the sky is falling...  Confused by religion | 07/27/04
You'd never know if you were hacked  voska | 07/27/04
As it happens -  Confused by religion | 07/27/04
Computers to work for people!  leandro_z | 07/28/04
Heheheheh!!!  tgrady | 07/29/04
And you know that...how?  Chad_z | 07/27/04
Yes, it took me time...  Confused by religion | 07/28/04
3 years running, no single intrusion  garci | 07/29/04
Nobody has time for looking at the sky - they're all patching  whisperycat | 07/27/04
Patching  IT Scion | 07/29/04
Patch up  Amalia | 07/29/04
You need to comprehend what I posted.  IT Scion | 08/02/04
I guess  michael-t | 07/27/04
or....  computer_man | 07/27/04
See my response above.  Confused by religion | 07/27/04
Hmm I'm surprise at the ammount of people complaining about infections.  computer_man | 07/27/04
Jump to conclusions much?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/27/04
Better Chicken Little than an Ostrich.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/27/04
I cnose a Mac and  Confused by religion | 07/27/04
cnose?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/28/04
HEHE - Good one!  Confused by religion | 07/28/04
Been in IT VERY Long  ITGuy04 | 07/28/04
But That's Not What Sweaty Ballmer Tells Us  claytonmuhler | 07/27/04
And why would he lie?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/27/04
Sorry, not convinced!  Big Steve_z | 07/28/04
Uses of Windows  gsquared | 07/29/04
Sure, everybody switch to...  tgrady | 07/29/04
Not quite true  uno@... | 07/29/04
OS Virus Protection = AntiTrust legislation  somethinginnovative | 07/29/04
You don't get it  lengua99 | 07/30/04
No to Windows??  IT Scion | 07/29/04
Also  IT Scion | 07/29/04
Standard Stories of Misery  michael-t | 07/27/04
Best Windows Machine - Unplugged  Chad_z | 07/27/04
No one owns this FREEdom OS..!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/27/04
Infected machines need to be stopped  Xanth_z | 07/27/04
I am getting  Linux User 147560 | 07/27/04
OMG!  MDDM_z | 07/29/04
All vendors have bugs, but sheer number of MS bugs is GROSS NEGLIGENCE !!!  Plain Logic | 07/27/04
Hold yourself responsible.  IT Scion | 07/29/04
Six of one  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/27/04
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and it should be easy to remove  V Sanders | 07/28/04
MyDoom is your Doom  peterdee_z | 07/28/04
IT admins have the IP  jdubuke | 07/28/04
MyBaldurGate to take a whack at Apple  FilledOut | 07/28/04
Symptoms not Diseases  Techscan | 07/28/04
Flaws  IT Scion | 08/02/04
MY DOOM  kittyj57 | 07/29/04
Plain stupid  MDDM_z | 07/29/04
stupid  Amalia | 07/29/04
must be from USA  Cobrajet500 | 07/29/04
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Windoze and IE  bhattaci | 07/30/04

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