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Good comeback
You really shut me up with that zinger!
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Please tell me I didn't just read that  Shelendrea | 10/12/06
Perhaps but is it practical to expect or even ask for?  Laff | 10/12/06
Of course it's practical...  jasonp@... | 10/12/06
Still not sure here.....  Laff | 10/12/06
Mailman...  sfuse | 10/12/06
Actually, "mailman" is a very insecure career  orangemike | 10/12/06
Train everybody, then layoff IT  MacGeek2121 | 10/12/06
Here's the reality:  John Zern | 10/12/06
times have changed  voska | 10/16/06
Consequences? Ha! Rulebreakers can't be fired; they're management!  orangemike | 10/12/06
Boy that's the truth.  maldain | 10/12/06
Not entirely...  Sysop1984 | 10/16/06
And Management will often say something like don't talk to the people about  slim-01 | 10/13/06
Umm ... fire someone for an inappropriate mouse click? Get serious!  Flagg_z | 10/12/06
Great Idea For Downsizing, Thanks!!!  Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
How do you do it?  voska | 10/16/06
Uh.. Right..  Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
An Interesting Theory  kodakmak | 10/31/06
Make a horse drink - YOU CAN ! -NT  raycote | 10/12/06
NO? But  Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
Great security exists in great OS  Mikael_z | 10/12/06
Even though I agree with you...  orangemike | 10/12/06
A majority of them just use a word-processor...  Mikael_z | 10/12/06
And there are a good number of macro-viruses in wordprocessors  nix_hed | 10/12/06
So please explain to me...  toadlife | 10/12/06
BULL!  Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
But summing up the security problems....  Mikael_z | 10/14/06
Phishing also works via telephone and mail  voska | 10/16/06
OK, You didn't read that...  Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
You read it and he's right.  Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
Exactly, the user shouldn't be forced to do the OS's job  Mikael_z | 10/12/06
Not just the operating system.  Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
I dont know about the workplace but...  Cayble | 10/12/06
A little knowledge...  Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
I totally agree and thats why...  Cayble | 10/12/06
Not IT, the OS, or mail server's job  Dr_Zinj | 10/13/06
The perimeter can be overrun.  Anton Philidor | 10/13/06
SMB tactics  hammaren@... | 10/13/06
Definition of a Microsoft user :  I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 10/12/06
Logical Fallacy  BFD | 10/12/06
No, there is a much better deffinition.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/06
OS is irrelevant  Zeppo9191 | 10/12/06
SUCKERS keep bashing MS...  fewiii | 10/12/06
Totally missing the point  axarce@... | 10/12/06
Missing you...  Linux User 1 | 10/12/06
Good comeback  axarce@... | 10/12/06
Very unfair comment  Cayble | 10/12/06
Right On.  savatar | 10/15/06
Whatever  westks | 10/15/06
Security expert: Luser education is pointless... DUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!  Mr. Roboto | 10/12/06
Just like personal security, users need to pay attention...  Been_Done_Before | 10/12/06
Where he really loses it is...  slopoke | 10/12/06
What ever happened to accountability?  thecoop@... | 10/12/06
Schools only teach 3 R's  Mr_Dave | 10/12/06
Let's hear it for personal responsibility!  sbarman | 10/12/06
the biggest phish: IT smugness  dmennie | 10/12/06
Get with it!  sbarman | 10/12/06
Passwords  numbers987654321 | 10/12/06
IT responsible for bad passwords.  colinmeister | 10/13/06
Changing passwords is good  voska | 10/16/06
What is in it for me?  Marco Parillo | 10/12/06
Don't Care?  optimist134 | 10/12/06
User education  ftucker@... | 10/12/06
Understand the rules...  sbarman | 10/12/06
Not their job  reeder | 10/12/06
Can you READ?  optimist134 | 10/13/06
Interesting...  jskline0@... | 10/12/06
Forget about teaching computer users how to be safe online.  donegan@... | 10/12/06
The sad part is, corporations deplore support. They want 'self-sufficiency'  HypnoToad | 10/13/06
Singing Pigs  Queue | 10/12/06
Singing Pigs  elmerpaul | 10/12/06
Or Lousy Teacher Perhaps?  crayolakidd | 10/12/06
Don't be absurd  lost2ny | 10/12/06
I can not beleave my eys.  krismartin56 | 10/12/06
Beleave  professordnm | 10/12/06
It's like teaching,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/06
And what's wrong with that?  John L. Ries | 10/12/06
So you're saying "If it is broke, don't fix it?"  sbarman | 10/12/06
it's like teaching  jlzimm | 10/12/06
I dont think that was the point  Speeddymon | 10/12/06
Education is never pointless  John L. Ries | 10/12/06
Pointless, until something of value is lost forever.  999ad@... | 10/12/06
Too many ASSumptions  ometecuhtli2001 | 10/12/06
Paternalistic attitude  KarenMcP | 10/12/06
User Education  gsquared | 10/12/06
everyone is right...in some points  axxyutza | 10/12/06
User's Don't Care Because They Aren't Accountable  dacap06@... | 10/12/06
Lusers aren't held accountable because too many of them are management!  orangemike | 10/12/06
Users do care when .....  Dr.C | 10/12/06
I wish I could agree, but . . .  999ad@... | 10/12/06
Can't take away access for some jobs  LuckyCharm | 10/12/06
And even though the  ebrke | 10/13/06
I totally agree (110%)  Carion | 10/12/06
You have several other options open to you...  Linux User 147560 | 10/13/06
User Education  benf_z | 10/12/06
user education  al999 | 10/12/06
Can't rely on Lusers - it really is up to us  mweight@... | 10/12/06
Cant rely on Lusers  benf_z | 10/12/06
There seem to be no network admins worth the air they breath.  Bruizer | 10/13/06
One problem is competent admins arent being hired  Airwolph | 10/14/06
Should require a license to drive a computer  dl@... | 10/12/06
Cntrl+What?  optimist134 | 10/13/06
HOW you teach them can turn them ON or OFF  roxanne_z | 11/08/06
User education is pointless.  GeoPrime | 10/12/06
The first goal is making security relevant  dsusysmgr | 10/12/06
Locks and Keys  mlibrescu4 | 10/12/06
Not True.  GeoPrime | 10/12/06
Just how many of you manage this problem???  pberry26@... | 10/12/06
Isn't it everyone's responsibility?  axarce@... | 10/12/06
some things never change  compmoms@... | 10/12/06
I disagree  kaitech | 10/12/06
Zombies are real  mikiec@... | 10/12/06
Honestly....  Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
Education is pointless? No!  3D0G | 10/12/06
And people should leave their personal security to Police experts . . .  roadbiker | 10/12/06
I'm sure this doesn't happen at no axe's or Mike Cox's Company  DarthRidiculous | 10/12/06
WHat hardware does Cox, LD, and no axe's company use  Airwolph | 10/14/06
I'll pay that!  crayolakidd | 10/12/06
Firefox and plugins  D-cat | 10/14/06
Cost Attribution would work wonders  Njal | 10/12/06
Security is of the utmost importance!  erniem1970@... | 10/12/06
Keep plugging  tech-nut@... | 10/12/06
"The Life Cycle of Software"  interested_amateur@... | 10/12/06
Sounds very M$ If you ask me...  Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
Scary concepts here  crayolakidd | 10/12/06
I actually agree...  D-cat | 10/15/06
There's probably other factors this "expert" has overlooked...  Mr. Roboto | 10/12/06
Important is awareness  subhasisbera@... | 10/12/06
The Larger Issue Here  multanihl | 10/12/06
So what  Someguy2 | 10/12/06
Aside from the main article...  axarce@... | 10/13/06
True  Someguy2 | 10/13/06
Defaulting to Root doesn't help the matter....  Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
A Double-Edged Sword  multanihl | 10/13/06
Automating your position away.  D-cat | 10/14/06
There is no need for Admin access  voska | 10/16/06
There is a real geek attitude to security on these boards  mrjonno | 10/12/06
Unique Issues to IT Support  multanihl | 10/13/06
I agree the customer is a nightmare  mrjonno | 10/13/06
I agree the customer is a nightmare  mrjonno | 10/13/06
ATM PIN  axarce@... | 10/13/06
ATM cards are compromised often  voska | 10/16/06
I don't agree  voska | 10/16/06
Culture Change Required  SikosisZDNet | 10/13/06
User-Proof Passwords?  Paul Barrett | 10/13/06
Lets hear it for learning how to drive a computer  cchamb2 | 10/13/06
Lets hear it for learning how to drive a computer  cchamb2 | 10/13/06
Computers should be Toasters  jpr75_z | 10/13/06
Toaster security  hines1957@... | 10/13/06
Dumbest idea ever  hines1957@... | 10/13/06
Automatic education is the answer and it is available  yoramnis | 10/13/06
If we can teach Koko to sign....  ejhonda | 10/13/06
User education is NOT pointless  jimmy.cury@... | 10/13/06
if your software can't survive a moron.....  case42tlc | 10/13/06
"It's impossibile to make anything foolproof...  D-cat | 10/14/06
Intermed. n advanced user - shut up  JonathanSeer | 10/13/06
These guys are MORONS  Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
I do care! as do my friends. Your loosing it! Must be the title?  curlymon@... | 10/13/06
Evolution in Action  dlmeyer@... | 10/13/06
Idiots  MyChangedLife777 | 10/13/06
Didn't read everything, but here's another good analogy  axarce@... | 10/13/06
Bull.  Ginevra | 10/13/06
100% correct  hines1957@... | 10/13/06
Um, sorry, but no.  Ginevra | 10/13/06
A long-term, but also temporary situation  multanihl | 10/13/06
What Planet Is This Guy From?  sevenof9fl | 10/14/06
Outsourcing - you get what you pay for.  D-cat | 10/14/06
Education may be expensive, but stupidity will bankrupt you.  osreinstall | 10/14/06
Security is an IT job?  DonG43 | 10/15/06
Yes.  Anton Philidor | 10/15/06
Enlighten me please.  D-cat | 10/15/06
Using your car analogy  Anton Philidor | 10/15/06
Security is not an IT job  voska | 10/16/06
Transparency  savatar | 10/16/06
Windows needs /var/log/messages (NT)  savatar | 10/16/06

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