Please tell me I didn't just read that
Shelendrea | 10/12/06
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Perhaps but is it practical to expect or even ask for?
Laff | 10/12/06
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Of course it's practical...
jasonp@... | 10/12/06
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Still not sure here.....
Laff | 10/12/06
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Mailman...
sfuse | 10/12/06
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Actually, "mailman" is a very insecure career
orangemike | 10/12/06
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Train everybody, then layoff IT
MacGeek2121 | 10/12/06
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Here's the reality:
John Zern | 10/12/06
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times have changed
voska | 10/16/06
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Consequences? Ha! Rulebreakers can't be fired; they're management!
orangemike | 10/12/06
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Boy that's the truth.
maldain | 10/12/06
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Not entirely...
Sysop1984 | 10/16/06
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And Management will often say something like don't talk to the people about
slim-01 | 10/13/06
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Umm ... fire someone for an inappropriate mouse click? Get serious!
Flagg_z | 10/12/06
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Great Idea For Downsizing, Thanks!!!
Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
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How do you do it?
voska | 10/16/06
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Uh.. Right..
Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
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An Interesting Theory
kodakmak | 10/31/06
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Make a horse drink - YOU CAN ! -NT
raycote | 10/12/06
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NO? But
Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
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Great security exists in great OS
Mikael_z | 10/12/06
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Even though I agree with you...
orangemike | 10/12/06
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A majority of them just use a word-processor...
Mikael_z | 10/12/06
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And there are a good number of macro-viruses in wordprocessors
nix_hed | 10/12/06
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So please explain to me...
toadlife | 10/12/06
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BULL!
Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
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But summing up the security problems....
Mikael_z | 10/14/06
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Phishing also works via telephone and mail
voska | 10/16/06
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OK, You didn't read that...
Media-Ted@... | 10/12/06
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You read it and he's right.
Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
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Exactly, the user shouldn't be forced to do the OS's job
Mikael_z | 10/12/06
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Not just the operating system.
Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
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I dont know about the workplace but...
Cayble | 10/12/06
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A little knowledge...
Anton Philidor | 10/12/06
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I totally agree and thats why...
Cayble | 10/12/06
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Not IT, the OS, or mail server's job
Dr_Zinj | 10/13/06
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The perimeter can be overrun.
Anton Philidor | 10/13/06
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SMB tactics
hammaren@... | 10/13/06
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Definition of a Microsoft user :
I'm Ye, the MS SHILL . | 10/12/06
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Logical Fallacy
BFD | 10/12/06
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No, there is a much better deffinition.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/06
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OS is irrelevant
Zeppo9191 | 10/12/06
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SUCKERS keep bashing MS...
fewiii | 10/12/06
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Totally missing the point
axarce@... | 10/12/06
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Missing you...
Linux User 1 | 10/12/06
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Good comeback
axarce@... | 10/12/06
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Very unfair comment
Cayble | 10/12/06
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Right On.
savatar | 10/15/06
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Whatever
westks | 10/15/06
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Security expert: Luser education is pointless... DUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!
Mr. Roboto | 10/12/06
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Just like personal security, users need to pay attention...
Been_Done_Before | 10/12/06
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Where he really loses it is...
slopoke | 10/12/06
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What ever happened to accountability?
thecoop@... | 10/12/06
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Schools only teach 3 R's
Mr_Dave | 10/12/06
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Let's hear it for personal responsibility!
sbarman | 10/12/06
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the biggest phish: IT smugness
dmennie | 10/12/06
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Get with it!
sbarman | 10/12/06
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Passwords
numbers987654321 | 10/12/06
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IT responsible for bad passwords.
colinmeister | 10/13/06
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Changing passwords is good
voska | 10/16/06
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What is in it for me?
Marco Parillo | 10/12/06
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Don't Care?
optimist134 | 10/12/06
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User education
ftucker@... | 10/12/06
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Understand the rules...
sbarman | 10/12/06
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Not their job
reeder | 10/12/06
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Can you READ?
optimist134 | 10/13/06
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Interesting...
jskline0@... | 10/12/06
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Forget about teaching computer users how to be safe online.
donegan@... | 10/12/06
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The sad part is, corporations deplore support. They want 'self-sufficiency'
HypnoToad | 10/13/06
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Singing Pigs
Queue | 10/12/06
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Singing Pigs
elmerpaul | 10/12/06
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Or Lousy Teacher Perhaps?
crayolakidd | 10/12/06
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Don't be absurd
lost2ny | 10/12/06
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I can not beleave my eys.
krismartin56 | 10/12/06
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Beleave
professordnm | 10/12/06
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It's like teaching,,,
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/06
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And what's wrong with that?
John L. Ries | 10/12/06
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So you're saying "If it is broke, don't fix it?"
sbarman | 10/12/06
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it's like teaching
jlzimm | 10/12/06
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I dont think that was the point
Speeddymon | 10/12/06
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Education is never pointless
John L. Ries | 10/12/06
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Pointless, until something of value is lost forever.
999ad@... | 10/12/06
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Too many ASSumptions
ometecuhtli2001 | 10/12/06
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Paternalistic attitude
KarenMcP | 10/12/06
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User Education
gsquared | 10/12/06
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everyone is right...in some points
axxyutza | 10/12/06
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User's Don't Care Because They Aren't Accountable
dacap06@... | 10/12/06
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Lusers aren't held accountable because too many of them are management!
orangemike | 10/12/06
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Users do care when .....
Dr.C | 10/12/06
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I wish I could agree, but . . .
999ad@... | 10/12/06
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Can't take away access for some jobs
LuckyCharm | 10/12/06
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And even though the
ebrke | 10/13/06
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I totally agree (110%)
Carion | 10/12/06
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You have several other options open to you...
Linux User 147560 | 10/13/06
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User Education
benf_z | 10/12/06
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user education
al999 | 10/12/06
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Can't rely on Lusers - it really is up to us
mweight@... | 10/12/06
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Cant rely on Lusers
benf_z | 10/12/06
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There seem to be no network admins worth the air they breath.
Bruizer | 10/13/06
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One problem is competent admins arent being hired
Airwolph | 10/14/06
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Should require a license to drive a computer
dl@... | 10/12/06
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Cntrl+What?
optimist134 | 10/13/06
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HOW you teach them can turn them ON or OFF
roxanne_z | 11/08/06
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User education is pointless.
GeoPrime | 10/12/06
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The first goal is making security relevant
dsusysmgr | 10/12/06
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Locks and Keys
mlibrescu4 | 10/12/06
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Not True.
GeoPrime | 10/12/06
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Just how many of you manage this problem???
pberry26@... | 10/12/06
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Isn't it everyone's responsibility?
axarce@... | 10/12/06
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some things never change
compmoms@... | 10/12/06
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I disagree
kaitech | 10/12/06
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Zombies are real
mikiec@... | 10/12/06
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Honestly....
Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
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Education is pointless? No!
3D0G | 10/12/06
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And people should leave their personal security to Police experts . . .
roadbiker | 10/12/06
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I'm sure this doesn't happen at no axe's or Mike Cox's Company
DarthRidiculous | 10/12/06
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WHat hardware does Cox, LD, and no axe's company use
Airwolph | 10/14/06
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I'll pay that!
crayolakidd | 10/12/06
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Firefox and plugins
D-cat | 10/14/06
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Cost Attribution would work wonders
Njal | 10/12/06
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Security is of the utmost importance!
erniem1970@... | 10/12/06
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Keep plugging
tech-nut@... | 10/12/06
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"The Life Cycle of Software"
interested_amateur@... | 10/12/06
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Sounds very M$ If you ask me...
Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
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Scary concepts here
crayolakidd | 10/12/06
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I actually agree...
D-cat | 10/15/06
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There's probably other factors this "expert" has overlooked...
Mr. Roboto | 10/12/06
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Important is awareness
subhasisbera@... | 10/12/06
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The Larger Issue Here
multanihl | 10/12/06
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So what
Someguy2 | 10/12/06
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Aside from the main article...
axarce@... | 10/13/06
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True
Someguy2 | 10/13/06
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Defaulting to Root doesn't help the matter....
Sysop1984 | 10/12/06
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A Double-Edged Sword
multanihl | 10/13/06
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Automating your position away.
D-cat | 10/14/06
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There is no need for Admin access
voska | 10/16/06
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There is a real geek attitude to security on these boards
mrjonno | 10/12/06
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Unique Issues to IT Support
multanihl | 10/13/06
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I agree the customer is a nightmare
mrjonno | 10/13/06
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I agree the customer is a nightmare
mrjonno | 10/13/06
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ATM PIN
axarce@... | 10/13/06
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ATM cards are compromised often
voska | 10/16/06
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I don't agree
voska | 10/16/06
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Culture Change Required
SikosisZDNet | 10/13/06
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User-Proof Passwords?
Paul Barrett | 10/13/06
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Lets hear it for learning how to drive a computer
cchamb2 | 10/13/06
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Lets hear it for learning how to drive a computer
cchamb2 | 10/13/06
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Computers should be Toasters
jpr75_z | 10/13/06
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Toaster security
hines1957@... | 10/13/06
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Dumbest idea ever
hines1957@... | 10/13/06
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Automatic education is the answer and it is available
yoramnis | 10/13/06
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If we can teach Koko to sign....
ejhonda | 10/13/06
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User education is NOT pointless
jimmy.cury@... | 10/13/06
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if your software can't survive a moron.....
case42tlc | 10/13/06
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"It's impossibile to make anything foolproof...
D-cat | 10/14/06
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Intermed. n advanced user - shut up
JonathanSeer | 10/13/06
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These guys are MORONS
Wolfie2K3 | 10/13/06
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I do care! as do my friends. Your loosing it! Must be the title?
curlymon@... | 10/13/06
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Evolution in Action
dlmeyer@... | 10/13/06
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Idiots
MyChangedLife777 | 10/13/06
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Didn't read everything, but here's another good analogy
axarce@... | 10/13/06
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Bull.
Ginevra | 10/13/06
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100% correct
hines1957@... | 10/13/06
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Um, sorry, but no.
Ginevra | 10/13/06
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A long-term, but also temporary situation
multanihl | 10/13/06
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What Planet Is This Guy From?
sevenof9fl | 10/14/06
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Outsourcing - you get what you pay for.
D-cat | 10/14/06
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Education may be expensive, but stupidity will bankrupt you.
osreinstall | 10/14/06
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Security is an IT job?
DonG43 | 10/15/06
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Yes.
Anton Philidor | 10/15/06
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Enlighten me please.
D-cat | 10/15/06
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Using your car analogy
Anton Philidor | 10/15/06
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Security is not an IT job
voska | 10/16/06
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Transparency
savatar | 10/16/06
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Windows needs /var/log/messages (NT)
savatar | 10/16/06
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