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Same old story.
It should be obvious by now for even the weakest brains, that if you develop for Windows you ultimately have 2 choices:

1. Accept a hostile takeover.
2: See your product bundled for free in the next Windows.
Posted by: pkrdk   Posted on: 09/18/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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I Can Kinda Sorta Almost Agree with MS on This One  BanjoPaterson | 09/18/06
An OS should be secure, but virus scanning software in no way needs to be  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
PLEASE go buy a CLUE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Users being secure is a good thing, and we should have vibrant competition  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Then let them COMPETE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You can not compete against a bundled product. Why would consumers pay  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Wouldnt the same thing happen  Suicida| | 09/18/06
Eliminating security holes in the OS is not a problem, bundling IS.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
And if you read the story No_Axe you would know by now  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Locking the kernel is the core of security  osreinstall | 09/18/06
If there is no AV in Vista...  nomorems | 09/18/06
Re; Morons  handydan918 | 09/18/06
I have to agree...strongly...  el1jones | 09/18/06
Same old story.  pkrdk | 09/18/06
I don't know why...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
It is not up to the commision to do Microsofts homework. Playing stupid  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Microsoft is the one playing stupid. Multibillion dollar companies do NOT  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Bullsh*t !!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
The EU does NOT have the resource to analyze every product on the market.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
More B*LLSH*T  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
And the EU did NOT want to, they would rather that conpanies would just  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
They sure do  BFD | 09/18/06
The EU only analyzes a very small number of products, some in great detail  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
But aren't they analyzing MS right now  Boot_Agnostic | 09/20/06
You want to hear STUPID  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
may be you're  Swiss27 | 09/18/06
Thats the whole problem .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
That is EXACTLY what they are doing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
EU resources  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
We READ stupid...  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
Any law that says you can't secure your code  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No_Ax, there's a difference between...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Do you even know the difference between code and binary?  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Well, seeing as you are  zkiwi | 09/18/06
You, Don, are the stupid one.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Good gawd, can you read?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Sur I can read No AX  tfahs_orcim | 09/18/06
You want stupid? keep reading No_AX posts  tfahs_orcim | 09/18/06
WHAT!!!!!!?  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
Eat your own dog food  zkiwi | 09/18/06
I'd have to disagree...  TechinMN | 09/18/06
Which would you rather have?  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Sure,  pkrdk | 09/18/06
Read competition read C.A.P.  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
I agree!  Linux Geek | 09/18/06
Total BS  BFD | 09/18/06
More Microsoft word games.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Where are the lines drawn  rdhalsteatzd | 09/18/06
In violation there and should be in US  hoozafrizitz | 09/18/06
That is subtle  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
how is YOUR OS migration is progressing?  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
No SPEEDING on the highway ...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
The laws are quite clear on competition in Europe. MS is playing stupid  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
And this just goes to show...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Why would MS want to follow  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Windows - unsecure by desing.  pkrdk | 09/18/06
The EU are NOT  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Microsoft word games.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Seeing Vista from this side of Atlantic  ohansky | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
This is very clear .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Bitty's Sweating Bullets  itanalyst | 09/18/06
Comply with WHAT???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Thankfully, Microsoft does not have to rely on you for the answer.  nomorems | 09/19/06
More logic .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
That's why they are not telling them the speed limit.  osreinstall | 09/18/06
Well if thats the case then Microsoft should pull out of Europe .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
They might if it costs money to operate there.  osreinstall | 09/18/06
Nope, they should just sell XP in Europe  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Europe is one of the top 10 markets for software.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Explain  pkrdk | 09/18/06
I agree!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No, the EU just dislikes the LARGEST aspect about Microsoft.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
You can't tell me  DemonX | 09/18/06
Yup. And to make matters worse,  nomorems | 09/18/06
Don, you are a NUT.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
If it's so clear then explain it to me  voska | 09/18/06
Get a high level position in Microsoft and then you will know.  nomorems | 09/19/06
No speeding  albert@... | 09/18/06
MS Asking EU is Foolish  Regulator1956 | 09/18/06
Perhaps because the US DOJ  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
If they had a clue...  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
It's more that the DoJ...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
And just where is the DOJ on Vista?  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
The DoJ is on the Microsoft premises...  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
The new MS talking point?  Robert Crocker | 09/18/06
Who wants to see a MUG shot of Bill Gates ?  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Nice one!  patrick@... | 09/18/06
It's time to hang Bill Gates from the highest tree  BeGoneFool | 09/18/06
EU Apologist loser  BFD | 09/18/06
Whats the BFD?  nomorems | 09/18/06
Since when has any other O/S been secure?  LordNyghthawk@... | 09/19/06
You first.  James T. Kirk | 09/19/06
Do it this way. NO! Do it that way!  Shelendrea | 09/18/06
Take it OUT! No, no, put it back.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You know, Shel, I usually agree with you, but not this time.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
free legal counsel  albert@... | 09/18/06
You're right, but...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Where you concept falls apart.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Antitrust does not involve courts!  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
There's still a court system involved in the process.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
California provides specifications...  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
Ahh, but...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Suppose California had said:  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
Then it's the lawyers' jobs...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Microsoft wants specifics.  Anton Philidor | 09/19/06
Microsoft wants someone else to do their job.  nomorems | 09/19/06
Lawyer can only work with they are given  voska | 09/18/06
...and both of those can be argued in court.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
They are trying to avoid court  voska | 09/19/06
Report Antitrust concerns here:  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
Some of the posters here need to read up on the laws!  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Fer Gawd's sake!  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
good point Milly..but...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
So does this mean...  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
nope, simply stating one thing...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Your pointless point...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
That's not even the issue  voska | 09/18/06
Voska, i agree..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
According to the poster it IS THE ISSUE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Monkey, so what you are saying  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
RE:The difference here is the US is not calling it anti-trust to protect th  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Some markets go obsolete  voska | 09/18/06
Monkey, so you mean...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
I guess we have to agree to disagree  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
since you can't figure out common sense..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Do you have any critical thinking skills?  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Do you? You seem to whine from both sides of your mouth.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Nice try, but you're reading only what you want to see..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Because you present nothing to see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
What's Your Point  ProfKing | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
EC's usual approach  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
From a citizen of the EU...  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Agree for the most part  Boot_Agnostic | 09/18/06
Linux  Ben_E | 09/18/06
WOW  Shelendrea | 09/18/06
beneaton4, you are so full of it.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Hehe  Ben_E | 09/18/06
I'm a member of our Conservative Party  IronCladChicken | 09/19/06
Sniggers....  Ben_E | 09/19/06
Thank you for an OUTSTANDING post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You do not seem to realize that ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
Oh good grief, even the EU doesn't want  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Tsk, tsk. Gittin' a lil testy, ain't we, Axey?  OButterball | 09/18/06
Yeah, dealing with morons is frustrating.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
We never said it...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Chuckle. And anyone saying the EC is ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
As I pointed out....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Sorry butterbrain  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Your first italicized statement demonstrates exactly ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
Axey, rather than trying desperately to insult me ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
In reply to OButterballs reply...  Ben_E | 09/18/06
butteredbrain...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No_ax....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Why, thank you, beneaton4.  OButterball | 09/19/06
50,000 MS jobs? Nah....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
For the most part, I agree with ya, beneaton4.  OButterball | 09/19/06
OButterball, are you suggesting that Linux is a viable alternative?  PB_z | 09/19/06
Hysteria  bigden_tx@... | 09/18/06
You are so right! The true colors of the EU...  Allstar_z | 09/18/06
Absolutely SPOT ON!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Apple, Linux and Antitrust  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Who can trust MS security  misceng | 09/18/06
And if it is buggy  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
Stupidity!  voska | 09/18/06
Yes, the EU commision is STUPID.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Microsoft should go the whole way  mrjonno | 09/18/06
Microsoft and Office  Linux User 1 | 09/18/06
You're right  PB_z | 09/18/06
Turning off Windows Defender programmatically?  PB_z | 09/18/06
Disabling protection programatically  Cal-el | 09/19/06
Your humanity is meaningless...  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
Corporations control all  cjreid@... | 09/18/06
The state has indoctrinated you well...  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
For the economic education you so sorely need  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
Microsoft Harrassment  cjreid@... | 09/18/06
bedtime story  bobwinners | 09/18/06
Bill's Got Us By The Nads - Again  smoothsoft@... | 09/18/06
And we are so happy for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Vista's European battleground  PhoenixStorm26 | 09/18/06
Microsoft should make all EU citixens wait another year for Vista  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
I Agree  jasprey | 09/18/06
by then...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
And...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Hmmmmmm  Ben_E | 09/19/06
A Near Monopolist????  jasprey | 09/18/06
MS:Fix the OS, No, create new Product screw partners  jonathan swift | 09/18/06
Couldn't disagree more...  Ben_E | 09/19/06
Thought experiment  viztor | 09/19/06
All the spotlight on Microsoft, but watch out Oracle...  Mp_z | 09/19/06
That is because Oracle is not a monopoly!  nomorems | 09/19/06
Oracle not yet a monopoly but in a real good position to become one  Mp_z | 09/19/06
Vista  ssagracie@... | 10/13/06

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