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You can not compete against a bundled product. Why would consumers pay
twice for the same thing? And, what conflicts would there be with two installed? If MS bundles it like they did with IE, competition will die and users will be less secure. Really just that simple.

But, Microsoft just needs to abide by the law, just that simple. They have the money to do the research and figure it out. The problem is they don't want to abide by the law. As they say, life is a beech.
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I Can Kinda Sorta Almost Agree with MS on This One  BanjoPaterson | 09/18/06
An OS should be secure, but virus scanning software in no way needs to be  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
PLEASE go buy a CLUE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Users being secure is a good thing, and we should have vibrant competition  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Then let them COMPETE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You can not compete against a bundled product. Why would consumers pay  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Wouldnt the same thing happen  Suicida| | 09/18/06
Eliminating security holes in the OS is not a problem, bundling IS.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
And if you read the story No_Axe you would know by now  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Locking the kernel is the core of security  osreinstall | 09/18/06
If there is no AV in Vista...  nomorems | 09/18/06
Re; Morons  handydan918 | 09/18/06
I have to agree...strongly...  el1jones | 09/18/06
Same old story.  pkrdk | 09/18/06
I don't know why...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
It is not up to the commision to do Microsofts homework. Playing stupid  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Microsoft is the one playing stupid. Multibillion dollar companies do NOT  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
Bullsh*t !!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
The EU does NOT have the resource to analyze every product on the market.  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
More B*LLSH*T  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
And the EU did NOT want to, they would rather that conpanies would just  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
They sure do  BFD | 09/18/06
The EU only analyzes a very small number of products, some in great detail  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
But aren't they analyzing MS right now  Boot_Agnostic | 09/20/06
You want to hear STUPID  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
may be you're  Swiss27 | 09/18/06
Thats the whole problem .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
That is EXACTLY what they are doing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
EU resources  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
We READ stupid...  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
Any law that says you can't secure your code  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No_Ax, there's a difference between...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Do you even know the difference between code and binary?  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Well, seeing as you are  zkiwi | 09/18/06
You, Don, are the stupid one.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Good gawd, can you read?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Sur I can read No AX  tfahs_orcim | 09/18/06
You want stupid? keep reading No_AX posts  tfahs_orcim | 09/18/06
WHAT!!!!!!?  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
Eat your own dog food  zkiwi | 09/18/06
I'd have to disagree...  TechinMN | 09/18/06
Which would you rather have?  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Sure,  pkrdk | 09/18/06
Read competition read C.A.P.  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
I agree!  Linux Geek | 09/18/06
Total BS  BFD | 09/18/06
More Microsoft word games.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Where are the lines drawn  rdhalsteatzd | 09/18/06
In violation there and should be in US  hoozafrizitz | 09/18/06
That is subtle  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
how is YOUR OS migration is progressing?  monkeynuts | 09/18/06
No SPEEDING on the highway ...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
The laws are quite clear on competition in Europe. MS is playing stupid  DonnieBoy | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
And this just goes to show...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Why would MS want to follow  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Windows - unsecure by desing.  pkrdk | 09/18/06
The EU are NOT  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Microsoft word games.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Seeing Vista from this side of Atlantic  ohansky | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No they are NOT clear in any way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
This is very clear .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Bitty's Sweating Bullets  itanalyst | 09/18/06
Comply with WHAT???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Thankfully, Microsoft does not have to rely on you for the answer.  nomorems | 09/19/06
More logic .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
That's why they are not telling them the speed limit.  osreinstall | 09/18/06
Well if thats the case then Microsoft should pull out of Europe .  Intellihence | 09/18/06
They might if it costs money to operate there.  osreinstall | 09/18/06
Nope, they should just sell XP in Europe  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Europe is one of the top 10 markets for software.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Explain  pkrdk | 09/18/06
I agree!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No, the EU just dislikes the LARGEST aspect about Microsoft.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
You can't tell me  DemonX | 09/18/06
Yup. And to make matters worse,  nomorems | 09/18/06
Don, you are a NUT.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
If it's so clear then explain it to me  voska | 09/18/06
Get a high level position in Microsoft and then you will know.  nomorems | 09/19/06
No speeding  albert@... | 09/18/06
MS Asking EU is Foolish  Regulator1956 | 09/18/06
Perhaps because the US DOJ  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
If they had a clue...  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
It's more that the DoJ...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
And just where is the DOJ on Vista?  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
The DoJ is on the Microsoft premises...  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
The new MS talking point?  Robert Crocker | 09/18/06
Who wants to see a MUG shot of Bill Gates ?  Intellihence | 09/18/06
Nice one!  patrick@... | 09/18/06
It's time to hang Bill Gates from the highest tree  BeGoneFool | 09/18/06
EU Apologist loser  BFD | 09/18/06
Whats the BFD?  nomorems | 09/18/06
Since when has any other O/S been secure?  LordNyghthawk@... | 09/19/06
You first.  James T. Kirk | 09/19/06
Do it this way. NO! Do it that way!  Shelendrea | 09/18/06
Take it OUT! No, no, put it back.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You know, Shel, I usually agree with you, but not this time.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
free legal counsel  albert@... | 09/18/06
You're right, but...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Where you concept falls apart.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Antitrust does not involve courts!  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
There's still a court system involved in the process.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
California provides specifications...  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
Ahh, but...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Suppose California had said:  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
Then it's the lawyers' jobs...  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
Microsoft wants specifics.  Anton Philidor | 09/19/06
Microsoft wants someone else to do their job.  nomorems | 09/19/06
Lawyer can only work with they are given  voska | 09/18/06
...and both of those can be argued in court.  Zeppo9191 | 09/18/06
They are trying to avoid court  voska | 09/19/06
Report Antitrust concerns here:  Spikey_Mike | 09/18/06
Some of the posters here need to read up on the laws!  B.O.F.H. | 09/18/06
Fer Gawd's sake!  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
good point Milly..but...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
So does this mean...  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
nope, simply stating one thing...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Your pointless point...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
That's not even the issue  voska | 09/18/06
Voska, i agree..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
According to the poster it IS THE ISSUE  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Monkey, so what you are saying  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
RE:The difference here is the US is not calling it anti-trust to protect th  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Some markets go obsolete  voska | 09/18/06
Monkey, so you mean...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
I guess we have to agree to disagree  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
since you can't figure out common sense..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Do you have any critical thinking skills?  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Do you? You seem to whine from both sides of your mouth.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Nice try, but you're reading only what you want to see..  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Because you present nothing to see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
What's Your Point  ProfKing | 09/18/06
Ha ha...  nomorems | 09/19/06
EC's usual approach  Anton Philidor | 09/18/06
From a citizen of the EU...  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Agree for the most part  Boot_Agnostic | 09/18/06
Linux  Ben_E | 09/18/06
WOW  Shelendrea | 09/18/06
beneaton4, you are so full of it.  nomorems | 09/18/06
Hehe  Ben_E | 09/18/06
I'm a member of our Conservative Party  IronCladChicken | 09/19/06
Sniggers....  Ben_E | 09/19/06
Thank you for an OUTSTANDING post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
You do not seem to realize that ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
Oh good grief, even the EU doesn't want  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Tsk, tsk. Gittin' a lil testy, ain't we, Axey?  OButterball | 09/18/06
Yeah, dealing with morons is frustrating.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
We never said it...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
Chuckle. And anyone saying the EC is ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
As I pointed out....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Sorry butterbrain  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Your first italicized statement demonstrates exactly ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
Axey, rather than trying desperately to insult me ...  OButterball | 09/18/06
In reply to OButterballs reply...  Ben_E | 09/18/06
butteredbrain...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
No_ax....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Why, thank you, beneaton4.  OButterball | 09/19/06
50,000 MS jobs? Nah....  Ben_E | 09/18/06
For the most part, I agree with ya, beneaton4.  OButterball | 09/19/06
OButterball, are you suggesting that Linux is a viable alternative?  PB_z | 09/19/06
Hysteria  bigden_tx@... | 09/18/06
You are so right! The true colors of the EU...  Allstar_z | 09/18/06
Absolutely SPOT ON!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Apple, Linux and Antitrust  Ben_E | 09/18/06
Who can trust MS security  misceng | 09/18/06
And if it is buggy  Confused by religion | 09/18/06
Stupidity!  voska | 09/18/06
Yes, the EU commision is STUPID.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Microsoft should go the whole way  mrjonno | 09/18/06
Microsoft and Office  Linux User 1 | 09/18/06
You're right  PB_z | 09/18/06
Turning off Windows Defender programmatically?  PB_z | 09/18/06
Disabling protection programatically  Cal-el | 09/19/06
Your humanity is meaningless...  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
Corporations control all  cjreid@... | 09/18/06
The state has indoctrinated you well...  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
For the economic education you so sorely need  Omch'Ar | 09/18/06
Microsoft Harrassment  cjreid@... | 09/18/06
bedtime story  bobwinners | 09/18/06
Bill's Got Us By The Nads - Again  smoothsoft@... | 09/18/06
And we are so happy for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
Vista's European battleground  PhoenixStorm26 | 09/18/06
Microsoft should make all EU citixens wait another year for Vista  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/18/06
I Agree  jasprey | 09/18/06
by then...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/18/06
And...  zkiwi | 09/18/06
Hmmmmmm  Ben_E | 09/19/06
A Near Monopolist????  jasprey | 09/18/06
MS:Fix the OS, No, create new Product screw partners  jonathan swift | 09/18/06
Couldn't disagree more...  Ben_E | 09/19/06
Thought experiment  viztor | 09/19/06
All the spotlight on Microsoft, but watch out Oracle...  Mp_z | 09/19/06
That is because Oracle is not a monopoly!  nomorems | 09/19/06
Oracle not yet a monopoly but in a real good position to become one  Mp_z | 09/19/06
Vista  ssagracie@... | 10/13/06

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