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Hi, mloftis.

You said:

If you believe that this will help catch terrorist, fraudsters, tax evasion, etc, you're very sadly mistaken.

I never said I thought that longer data retention would help catch these types. What I said was that it made no sense to me why privacy advocates would object to the use of the records for these kinds of cases. I think terrorists would probably be the most difficult to catch (at least, the al Qaeda variety) because they're the most technologically advanced. Columbine-type situations would probably be the most vulnerable to these types of methods (i.e., stuff done by amateurs).

Can logs be faked? Sure. But that's what document analysis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Questioned_document_examination

and computer forensics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_forensics

is for.

Now, if the logs themselves are wrong, that's a different issue, I suppose. I don't know how that would be determined. I do know, however, that computer logs are used as evidence in court cases. I found this Connecticut case on Google:

http://www.jud.state.ct.us/external/supapp/Cases/AROcr/CR269/269cr82.pdf

On November 3, Gluhosky met Kozak and Rainville at the Yale police department and told them that he believed that the defendant had used his computer to acquire child pornography. He provided them with hard copies of computer logs detailing the defendant?s computer activities and a compact disc that contained copies of images that the defendant had downloaded to a computer in the geology department. Gluhosky explained that the file transfer protocol log indicated that the defendant was transferring his downloaded files from the geology department computer to his master?s residence computer.

You and I are, as I said, in agreement about the cost problems for ISPs. If the laws being floated around now pass, I suppose this will lead ISPs to tack on another fee for their document retention costs.
Posted by: bhartman36   Posted on: 05/27/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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ISPs should tell them to bring a court order. If I were an ISP, I would  DonnieBoy | 05/26/06
If he knows everything I've seen,read,know...  welcome to hell | 05/26/06
AT&T  petemitchell | 05/27/06
If it feels good, do it.  HypnoToad72 | 05/27/06
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I think you know who "does the deeming"  TimeBomb | 05/27/06
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As if!  mloftis@... | 05/27/06
Terrorists, Fraudsters, and Tax Cheats, Oh My!!!  bhartman36 | 05/27/06
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Objections  bhartman36 | 05/28/06
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Power  bhartman36 | 05/30/06
Re: Terrorists, Fraudsters, and Tax Cheats, Oh My!!!  none none | 05/29/06
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This has *NOTHING* to do with Child Pornography!  mloftis@... | 05/27/06
What about the numbers too?  mloftis@... | 05/27/06
Freedom of privacy is a myth  Dave P. | 05/28/06
Don't count on it.... child porn is just their excuse..  shawkins | 05/28/06
wedge issues  welcome to hell | 05/28/06
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