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I disagree with the facts reported
---Do you disagree with the facts as reported or do you view
any tech article which is less than uncritically enthusiastic over
OSX a pro-MS article?---

I disagree with the facts reported, or really, not reported.
Hackers were given their own local accounts on the machine in
question. This is not a challenge to find remote exploits, but
one of local exploits from people with a user account on a given
machine. Unless you're giving out accounts to strangers, it
shouldn't mean much to anyone about security.
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The article author is obviously pro-MS  NonZealot | 03/06/06
RE: The article author is obviously pro-MS  richdave | 03/06/06
He's joking  george_ou | 03/06/06
Since ZDNet editors have both Mac and PC - ...  Vily Clay | 03/06/06
Suggestions: ...  Vily Clay | 03/06/06
suse 10?  Scott W | 03/06/06
Because real life competition will drive progress and SuSe too. (NT)  Vily Clay | 03/07/06
i dont have trouble  linuxoverwindows | 03/08/06
Repot this George  Fred Fredrickson | 03/07/06
I disagree with the facts reported  tic swayback | 03/06/06
RE: I disagree with the facts reported  richdave | 03/06/06
Funny how ZDNet left that out  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Not so huge a distinction  NonZealot | 03/06/06
Can't take it as seriously  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Tic, you could have said it shorter ? Mac is better because YOU want to...  Vily Clay | 03/06/06
Vily, that is so freaking funny  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Didn't you, Tic, take lessions from Stalin?  Vily Clay | 03/06/06
Put a Win2kSP4 server on the Internet...  The King's Servant | 03/06/06
Oh Vily  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Tic, if you?d have half a brain ? you?d check it. Note ? I checked it (NT)  Vily Clay | 03/06/06
RE: Funny how ZDNet left that out  richdave | 03/06/06
Sort of  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Remotely exploiting Macs is easier  joopbraak | 03/12/06
This just in, Windows XP hacked in 20 seconds,,,  jinko | 03/06/06
You've been drinking the zealot kool aid again.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/06/06
It's true though  voska | 03/06/06
Yup, yet the FUD keeps on rollin'  NonZealot | 03/06/06
How old?  ianbetteridge | 03/07/06
Does it matter?  rapson | 03/06/06
Yes! No local user logging required  The King's Servant | 03/06/06
That's not the point  rapson | 03/07/06
Ya. Sure, Go back to bed.  Cayble | 03/06/06
count  Network Support | 03/06/06
And Apple is  Mectron | 03/06/06
heh..  thatxbxtchxnicoll | 03/06/06
Mac vs Windows  amaref | 03/06/06
Does it change anything for Joe Average?  dddd_z | 03/06/06
It shows that Joe Average...  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
It's a bird! It's a plane!  handydan918 | 03/07/06
Never mind, It's just  handydan918 | 03/07/06
Does anything ever change  suirauqa | 03/08/06
This is a story?  wearthefoxhat | 03/06/06
RE: This is a story?  richdave | 03/06/06
A Mac fan here w/ sense  GSavage777 | 03/06/06
RE: A Mac fan here w/ sense  richdave | 03/06/06
Well isn't this true of ANY OS even BSD?  Laff | 03/06/06
How do you know OS X is more secure than XP?  Anton Philidor | 03/06/06
Thought this was an interesting piece  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Because George Ou says it is!  thelemite | 03/07/06
I haven't seen it.  nomorems | 03/06/06
Nice  GaryN | 03/07/06
Gee, that's wird................  wearthefoxhat | 03/06/06
RE: Gee, that's wird................  richdave | 03/06/06
The fact that you clicks the link to read the new says it all.  KOR_Hian_Loon@... | 03/07/06
This is a pathetically bad joke  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Interesting..  Patrick Jones | 03/06/06
They gave the hacker an account???  jinko | 03/06/06
And you are making a pathetically bad excuse  toadlife | 03/06/06
Read for a change  BitTwiddler | 03/06/06
take off the Apple tinted goggles  toadlife | 03/06/06
Understand what this means  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Welcome to the Internet, Tic.  JetJaguar | 03/06/06
Go back to what I said  tic swayback | 03/06/06
No, I'm not  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I agree  toadlife | 03/06/06
He's not arguing that fact.  thatxbxtchxnicoll | 03/06/06
A very good point..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/06/06
Yes - imagine a publishing house who  Hugh Jass | 03/06/06
Whoa... noone mentioned that...  el1jones | 03/06/06
Like I wrote earlier...  nomorems | 03/06/06
Microsoft?  Dragonn | 03/10/06
Tic, I found this challenge interesting for another reason  NonZealot | 03/06/06
I think it proves he's an idiot  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Question..  cashaww | 03/07/06
I think it proves he is a liar  nomorems | 03/06/06
Where did you obtain this information?  ye | 03/06/06
Try here  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Who is Dave Schroeder?  ye | 03/06/06
Find out for yourself  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Thanks...  ye | 03/06/06
OK...Dave responded to my e-mail and...  ye | 03/06/06
More details here  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I see no facts to support that success was the...  ye | 03/06/06
Well...  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Also note  tic swayback | 03/06/06
How do we know it's the same challenge?  ye | 03/06/06
I guess it doesn't matter  tic swayback | 03/07/06
It does matter if you're going to...  ye | 03/07/06
True, but...  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Given the limited amount of information...  ye | 03/07/06
Unfounded conclusions and worst case scenarios  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Here's my own for Windows: 71.56.240.67  ye | 03/07/06
Double standard...  ye | 03/07/06
I said it was an unfounded conclusion  tic swayback | 03/08/06
Yes you did...thus my "Double Standard"...  ye | 03/08/06
My comments were addressed...  tic swayback | 03/08/06
Then you have my apologies.  ye | 03/08/06
What this does prove is...  3D0G | 03/06/06
Which 5 to 10 machines do you refer to?  tic swayback | 03/06/06
what it proves..  Network Support | 03/06/06
Here's a real challenge  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Sounds like a plan  nucrash | 03/06/06
the test closes tonight... lol  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
Mac OS X hacked in under 30 minutes  Loverock Davidson | 03/06/06
Not quite  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I know  Loverock Davidson | 03/06/06
1 out of 10  Expatriate US Geek | 03/06/06
Take that George Ou  nucrash | 03/06/06
Hehe!  NonZealot | 03/06/06
The article was the pro-MS spin...  nomorems | 03/06/06
a lil too much MS paranoia, calm down  Dragonn | 03/10/06
He-he  george_ou | 03/06/06
Hope you'll find out what really happened here  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Should we compare this to Windows?  nucrash | 03/06/06
What would the purpose be?  NonZealot | 03/06/06
You're right...  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Oh I HATE those Linux dudes!!  NonZealot | 03/06/06
You're kidding, NonZealot!! Who'd a thunk?  Hugh Jass | 03/06/06
Shiver me timbers!  nomorems | 03/06/06
Re: Shiver me timbers!  joopbraak | 03/12/06
We,,  cashaww | 03/06/06
Hac Mac  bernoulli | 03/06/06
Wise in not commenting  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
Such good reporting they dropped it off the front page of ZDNet  Anon_ymous | 03/06/06
exploit unknown  mrlinux | 03/06/06
Secure BSD  baggins_z | 03/07/06
The hacker cheated  NonZealot | 03/06/06
I think we just need to crack down..  nucrash | 03/06/06
"To just hack is OK?"  3D0G | 03/06/06
theres a difference...  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
NZ, stop gloating  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I'm not gloating  NonZealot | 03/06/06
Don't put words in my mouth  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I'm not  NonZealot | 03/06/06
Thanks for your input  tic swayback | 03/06/06
How dare he use the Apache analogy!  thelemite | 03/07/06
Yeah, real hackers would never do that..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/06/06
Strawman  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Hmm, at least one user thought OSX was 100% safe  NonZealot | 03/06/06
Still a made-up argument  tic swayback | 03/06/06
this is a poor argument to justify your behaviour  stevey_d | 03/06/06
Anyone notice a pattern?  nomorems | 03/06/06
not fair?  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
That's still twice as long as XP  Chad_z | 03/06/06
Get a clue  toadlife | 03/06/06
To be fair  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Good question  toadlife | 03/06/06
Question  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Google them  voska | 03/06/06
Office?  ianbetteridge | 03/07/06
I think you already gave us one  NonZealot | 03/06/06
Shatter Attacks are easy to prevent  toadlife | 03/06/06
I don't know  toadlife | 03/06/06
Leave it alone  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
Thanks Mr. Rude.  toadlife | 03/06/06
Clarification  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
Not blaming UNIX  toadlife | 03/06/06
Non-shatter attacks  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Google privilege escalation windows  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
Playing the Google game  toadlife | 03/06/06
Line wrap issues on links  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Tic  toadlife | 03/06/06
Thanks  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Smokers of the Mac-pipe, time for your intervention!  Mr. Roboto | 03/06/06
Pack another bowl  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Hey don't hog that pipe!  Len Rooney | 03/06/06
Pass it over here...  Hugh Jass | 03/06/06
puff puff give  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
You are correct of course......  Laff | 03/06/06
oh, i thought for a second...  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
Who cares?  nomorems | 03/06/06
Thank GAWD  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/06/06
Sorry, but no.  nomorems | 03/06/06
Good, cause you're  Real World | 03/07/06
This article is a lie zdnet, you should edit it[you are doing in microsoft]  stevey_d | 03/06/06
You need a life.  Narg | 03/06/06
i have a life  stevey_d | 03/06/06
Grown up, M$muchomoney, grown up? You must love kidding yourself  sergiovf@... | 03/06/06
Funny  Narg | 03/06/06
Whats funny  nomorems | 03/06/06
why is it  Shelendrea | 03/06/06
Double secret reverse psychology  tic swayback | 03/06/06
I think it's the tirade of articles about Mac OSX security  stevey_d | 03/06/06
It's within the realm of possiblity  Len Rooney | 03/06/06
realm of possibility or not  Shelendrea | 03/07/06
Sorry,  nomorems | 03/07/06
Who's blaming?  Len Rooney | 03/07/06
Not just MS  tic swayback | 03/07/06
like MS had nothing to do with the SCO IBM court case  stevey_d | 03/07/06
Less than 30 minutes, huh?  Anthony Volpe | 03/06/06
ZDNet MS bias, as usual  boobasaurus | 03/06/06
not only misleading, but articles like this sadly prove  BillyB40 | 03/06/06
SSH Doesn't Get Used In The Real World?  nikoli | 03/06/06
Glad you're not running my web servers  tic swayback | 03/06/06
You Can't See A Real World Scenario  nikoli | 03/07/06
And you know this is what happened?  tic swayback | 03/07/06
the diff here  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
Windows OS Compromised In Less Than 30 Seconds  itanalyst | 03/06/06
Amazing  ianbetteridge | 03/07/06
30 seconds for XP  Gregory.J.Bradley@... | 03/07/06
I can do it in 3 seconds  xuniL_z | 03/07/06
i like the tongue face better  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
He speaks the truth  zmud | 03/07/06
When will you tell that he had local access priveleges?  Dan Brantley | 03/06/06
Really  nikoli | 03/06/06
Really?  tic swayback | 03/06/06
How Did I Know Tic Would Be The First To Reply?  nikoli | 03/06/06
Whippy skippy  tic swayback | 03/06/06
Of Course It's All About You And You Only Tic  nikoli | 03/06/06
Sure anything. If I get my admin password to you for instance,  Laff | 03/06/06
nikoli  Network Support | 03/06/06
Yes, the world does revolve around me  tic swayback | 03/07/06
give out the admin password?  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
You have a crystal ball? What's the other one made of?  Laff | 03/06/06
what if they  linuxoverwindows | 03/07/06
Much worst than that  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
You mean George lied?  Fred Fredrickson | 03/07/06
Why Is This About XP Now???  nikoli | 03/07/06
Silly boy....  thelemite | 03/07/06
Laugh All You Want, You Completely Missed The Point  nikoli | 03/07/06
You mean like the same attention Apache gets compared to IIs?  thelemite | 03/07/06
Typical OS X users are usually administrators?  nikoli | 03/07/06
Typical OSX users grant the public local access?  thelemite | 03/07/06
Local Accounts  ITTech001 | 03/06/06
Gwerdna = Andrew G.  Geotopia | 03/06/06
I've Read The Article And The Respones And I've Concluded...  nikoli | 03/06/06
30 seconds for XP  Gregory.J.Bradley@... | 03/07/06
This is desperation at it's worst...  xuniL_z | 03/07/06
Very Desperate  nikoli | 03/07/06
mac owners need windows for their own securty  glocks out | 03/06/06
Please tell the whole story  adamsp | 03/06/06
It's not about Microsoft, it's about Apple  Toiyabe | 03/06/06
It's not about Microsoft or Apple, it's about ZDNet  tic swayback | 03/06/06
The Point Has Been Made Whether You Like It Or Not  nikoli | 03/06/06
Duh  tic swayback | 03/06/06
You Are Hopeless!!!  nikoli | 03/07/06
Guess that answers my question  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Let's talk about FUD  Qbt | 03/06/06
Interesting given the correction now posted  Richard Flude | 03/06/06
Pure Windows Idealist  keydesignz | 04/08/06
Apple's "sloppy coding" ???  sergiovf@... | 03/06/06
Finally  keydesignz | 04/08/06
Sounds like FUD to me!  MacGeek2121 | 03/06/06
So much hype, so little substance  cr33 | 03/06/06
New challenge has been arranged  berck | 03/06/06
Still up and running...  TheCrow_z | 03/06/06
wasn't a fair test  2max67 | 03/06/06
Ok then...  zkiwi | 03/06/06
Hacked Interest?  Aylwin | 03/06/06
The only 100% secure computer now is the one that is off.  DanielBlessing | 03/06/06
Flawed story  jefmud | 03/06/06
Oh, just face it...  Qbt | 03/06/06
Stating the obvious.  johnsmith222 | 03/06/06
Hacking  WEBKILLER | 03/07/06
Run OS-uX as a VM on top of Windows  jpr75_z | 03/07/06
Wow, I never thought I'd lose this much respect for ZDNet  merlin747 | 03/07/06
Yeah, kind of lowers ZDnet to giant blog...  el1jones | 03/07/06
So who is "Andrew G.?" (gwerdna)  bwebster | 03/07/06
XP  Gregory.J.Bradley@... | 03/07/06
Complete rubbish, the real test is here  Fred Fredrickson | 03/07/06
Care To Take Back That Last Comment Ian?  itanalyst | 03/07/06
The Wisconsin site is still  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 03/07/06
Conclusion is useless without more info  NonZealot | 03/07/06
Well hopefully  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 03/07/06
And here is the answer...  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 03/07/06
How long ago was it...  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
Firewalls  tic swayback | 03/07/06
History repeating itself  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
Not the same  NonZealot | 03/07/06
Overconfidence can be an exploitable weakness  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
What's to prevent?  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Doesn't exist?  doctormoriarty | 03/07/06
2 viruses?  tic swayback | 03/07/06
Publish the method  mergatroid | 03/07/06
What's next...  yyuko@... | 03/07/06
What you ALL are MISSING...  ziembd@... | 03/07/06
I agrue none of it...  nomorems | 03/07/06
Not a serious contest!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 03/07/06
So what you are saying is another Real contest should be done  Boot_Agnostic | 03/07/06
Contests are not terribly useful  tic swayback | 03/07/06
But they are attention getters  Boot_Agnostic | 03/07/06
Compare numbers  DeadFred | 03/07/06
coverage was so journalistically poor  wh0arey0u | 03/07/06
Dear ZD net  s_gamgee | 03/07/06
Who do you trust? [nt]  BlazeEagle | 03/07/06
Leave ZDNet alone[more inside]  BlazeEagle | 03/07/06
Why is it that  RhinoRover | 03/08/06
I dislike Mac  Heretic_Seraphim | 04/07/06
You have never even used it  keydesignz | 04/08/06

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