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...per capita they have fewer crimes involving guns in spite of a high instance of ownership.

Do you mean Canada? I believe that here in the states it is true that the violent crime rate is much lower in areas where citizens aren't banned from guns in some form (concealed, personal mostly), D.C. or N.Y. being great examples.

The same is true for Canada, but the gun laws are much stricter there, and the ratio of gun owners to citizens is very different than in the states. I believe that in most of Canada, you cannot carry concealed either, whereas here, I believe that about 4/5 of the states have "shall issue" permits for concealed carry.

Oh, GREAT point: ...Laws don't stop criminals.... It seems that our congress is agreeing with that simple but powerful and true statement more and more each day, if you've noticed the great gains in the laws to enforce the whole "legal commerce" concept and protect the second ammendment.

Now, as far as a national ID..........?
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There is...  WildcatRay | 02/17/06
Citizens' Rights  ottocr@... | 02/20/06
Well said PalaceManager  Betelgeuse58 | 02/20/06
Umm  Linux User 147560 | 02/17/06
Clarify  Spoon Jabber | 02/17/06
Well, let's see..  5th Limb in the Kisser | 02/16/06
Heeeeyyy!  Spoon Jabber | 02/17/06
Well hey..  5th Limb in the Kisser | 02/17/06
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nothing else to gripe about...  doh123 | 02/17/06
really?  5th Limb in the Kisser | 02/17/06
nope  doh123 | 02/17/06
simple  5th Limb in the Kisser | 02/17/06
I wonder......?  Spoon Jabber | 02/17/06
nope  5th Limb in the Kisser | 02/17/06
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Re: I know what it means  webwalker_z | 02/21/06
Re: I know what it means  webwalker_z | 02/21/06
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The towers are already in place....  Betelgeuse58 | 02/20/06
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Yes, SSN  SC-man | 02/21/06
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