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1) Email is not a function of the OS, not even in Windows. It is a separate program. Is email an OS-integrated function in Linux or anything else? No.
2) This trojan was NOT run out of the email program, anyway. It was a ZIP file. So, the email program passed the attachment to yet ANOTHER non-integrated program, from which the user was able to execute it.

Let's say that tomorrow the US government declares the use of Windows to be illegal and shuts down MS. The other countries of the world follow suit. Do you REALLY think it will solve all the problems in the world, or even specifically ones like this?

Every technically inept computer user suddenly has to switch to some version of Linux (they aren't going to switch hardware, most likely, so OS/X is out for most). They don't know what they are doing, so they don't configure it properly. Yes, it's more secure out of the box, but the determined user who wants things to work easily ("like they did before") finds a way to circumvent most built-in security. Companies and industries spring up around making Linux easier to use for the average home-type user (many of these companies run by former MS employees who are now out of work).

So now we have a bunch of idiots running a more technical OS in unsecured ways, using products designed to make their experience function like their old OS did. This is somewhat scary and I'm not sure it would be better than what we have now.

Then, there are the people who create these viruses/trojans/worms/etc.. Unless they are all just ideological fanatics whose entire goal it was to put MS out of business, do they just give up now that MS is illegal? Whoops, everyone's on Linux, which we all *know* is unbreakable, so let's just give up?

I don't think so.
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No, it shows Microsoft software is not working!!!  Bobby Sskcat | 02/03/04
You need a life....  DarbyOhara | 02/03/04
Flaming does not prove your point  Michael Kelly | 02/03/04
I'll give it a shot.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 02/03/04
Excellent suggestion  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
So why hasn't MS done this?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 02/04/04
Good question  pschroeder@... | 02/04/04
Why wait 4 to 6 years?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 02/04/04
waiting  pschroeder@... | 02/05/04
partly agree  ryusen | 02/03/04
Ask And Ye Shall Receive ...  coffeenite | 02/03/04
Please do go on  Michael Kelly | 02/03/04
Points  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
More Points  coffeenite | 02/03/04
Deep browsers and ZIP programs  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
Browsers, operating systems, and untrusted techies  Anton Philidor | 02/03/04
No, it proves that there is always a bigger idiot  nucrash | 02/03/04
Users aren't always that dumb ...  coffeenite | 02/03/04
...but, quite often, they are!  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
Eh ....  coffeenite | 02/03/04
What to do?  Doug@... | 02/03/04
Do this  MarcB_z | 02/03/04
Sigh  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
Get rid of ActiveX and VBA and 97% of the problem is solved  MarcB_z | 02/04/04
Neither of which would have solved THIS problem (NT)  pschroeder@... | 02/04/04
But that other 3% thingy would have (NT)  MarcB_z | 02/05/04
maybe ... except for the dumb user issue (NT)  pschroeder@... | 02/05/04
Fine for the corporate environment  jfrankcarr | 02/03/04
question  Hanover Phist | 02/03/04
...which...  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
you are right  ryusen | 02/03/04
Save and execute no fix  wolf_z | 02/03/04
AMEN, Built-in SECURITY helps tho'  MarcB_z | 02/03/04
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I think they should be restricted  voska | 02/03/04
restrictions  ryusen | 02/03/04
Nobody said "restrict"  MarcB_z | 02/04/04
Restrict execs  Domb2 | 02/03/04
don't forget...  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
Harder to hurt yourself/easier to effect others  Domb2 | 02/03/04
integration  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
RE Integration  Domb2 | 02/03/04
RE RE integration  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
re re re:  ryusen | 02/03/04
Integrated NOT EQUAL TO welded  MarcB_z | 02/04/04
Exactly.  bhanes@... | 02/03/04
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getting rid of useful features,  ryusen | 02/03/04
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Email should be just plain text  voska | 02/03/04
Files  pschroeder@... | 02/03/04
Even at that  bhanes@... | 02/03/04
Of all things...  rbethell | 02/03/04
spam filtering doesn't stop mail from *known* sources  TreborG2 | 02/03/04
{cough} change the OS {cough}  Xunil_Sierutuf | 02/03/04
still the wrong answer  TreborG2 | 02/03/04
good comments  Domb2 | 02/03/04
How about  bhanes@... | 02/03/04
The answer is so simple...  Heatlesssun | 02/03/04
Simpler solution  tic swayback | 02/03/04
to scan the attachment  Fred Flintsone | 02/03/04
Yes, I read it !  chawly | 02/09/04
funny thing about linux...  ryusen | 02/03/04
Suggested Solutions  Domb2 | 02/03/04
Other options  Letophoro | 02/03/04
And item 5  Domb2 | 02/03/04
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Let's agree and disagree  chawly | 02/09/04
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About enough  MkIIISupra | 02/03/04
license requirement  Domb2 | 02/03/04
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problem with licencing  ryusen | 02/03/04
The NSA are fools?  B.O.F.H. | 02/03/04
well  bhanes@... | 02/03/04
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I have one big problem with your statement  JoeMama_z | 02/03/04
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History lesson  B.O.F.H. | 02/03/04
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