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well, open source vs. big money: one thing about open source software is that its free to obtain and most if not all have a disclaimer that says that it may contain bugs and how to deal with them if you would like to submit to bugzilla etc... ms just tries to say that their software is the bombzorz and all your pc are belong to us.; Posted by: linuxoverwindows Posted on: 10/13/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Bill Gates Has Lots of MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY RobertoSalazar | 10/12/05

On that same note Loverock Davidson | 10/12/05

Aisle 5,220,300,574,107,229,333 DarbyOhara | 10/12/05

Just present your purchase receipt for your FREE download. Update victim | 10/12/05

From all your posts Sabz5150 | 10/12/05

From all my posts Loverock Davidson | 10/12/05

looks like a complete list to me linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

glad you agree Loverock Davidson | 10/13/05

you are correct linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

You get funnier every day Sabz5150 | 10/13/05

so how much did you buy linux for? linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Thank you Loverock Davidson | 10/13/05

you are so very welcome linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

No one is listening.... DarbyOhara | 10/12/05

oops... I mean "Blue" pill DarbyOhara | 10/12/05

Right.....! techboy_z | 10/12/05

The man who invented the Internet? Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/12/05

i still laugh... linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Gates is a Democrat osreinstall | 10/12/05

demo, repub... dont matter linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Differences movie-crew | 10/13/05

That is true you 2 but Dubya is the first thing he said. osreinstall | 10/13/05

Absolutely !!! realitycheck101 | 10/12/05

Because they don't sell anything.. Patrick Jones | 10/12/05

Wrong !!! Update victim | 10/12/05

And... Patrick Jones | 10/12/05

door locks vs. ninnernet linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Software, license or code, should be bjbrock | 10/12/05

rotflmao linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

I think they should hold... ju1ce | 10/12/05

just as soon as..... JoeMama_z | 10/12/05

Tech dominence DemonX | 10/12/05

If we lose our competitive edge... Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/12/05

The government and for profit industry bjbrock | 10/12/05

really? JoeMama_z | 10/12/05

Yes. Really. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/12/05

well, open source vs. big money linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

immanual and linuxover.... JoeMama_z | 10/13/05

Didn't say it was easy. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

Im not saying.... JoeMama_z | 10/14/05

Of course they should be! BitTwiddler | 10/12/05

That dripping sound you hear is lawyers salivating... ejhonda | 10/12/05

End Result: Rich Lawyers and Insurance Companies dunraven | 10/12/05

Or just maybe we would get good secure software. Update victim | 10/12/05

I believe that programs must be better designed, but... jbroche18 | 10/12/05

a good leader linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Leaders don't get punished movie-crew | 10/13/05

Oh yeah, really...so what are you going to do JJ_z | 10/12/05

Only after OSS is modified and the result bjbrock | 10/12/05

The mind boggles... Compute_This | 10/12/05

HA!!! I Said This In The Last Article itanalyst | 10/12/05

And haven't written a line of code since. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/05

Who Cares If I've Written Any Code Bitty?? itanalyst | 10/12/05

Talk is cheap, doiung is much harder... No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/05

Wow, Just Like You itanalyst | 10/12/05

LMFAO itanal | 10/12/05

Message has been deleted. itanalyst | 10/13/05

what is a doiung? linuxoverwindows | 10/13/05

Message has been deleted. itanalyst | 10/13/05

Detroit movie-crew | 10/13/05

Software Seldom Kills Anyone? itanalyst | 10/13/05

Wow, You Still Write Code??? itanalyst | 10/12/05

Can We Grandfather This Back To 1995? itanalyst | 10/12/05

Need it much earlier to catch all the Unix issues. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/05

Absolutely! itanalyst | 10/12/05

Nope, LAMP has proven that to be wrong. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/05

HELLO?? LAMP IS FREE itanalyst | 10/12/05

Doesnt matter. vdraken | 10/12/05

Re: Doesn't matter. cobalt54 | 10/12/05

Let's just punish those we don't like! osreinstall | 10/12/05

No, It Doesn't Work That Way itanalyst | 10/12/05

You are wrong again osreinstall | 10/12/05

You're wrong on so many levels... John Zern | 10/12/05

Oh, And I Said Stable, NOT SECURE itanalyst | 10/12/05

Take your system to someone that knows how. osreinstall | 10/12/05

Well Axey... gotta level with you Sabz5150 | 10/12/05

Just hold security IT people responsible. osreinstall | 10/12/05

Get your wallet out!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/12/05

I'd be happy to. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/12/05

YOu might, but few would. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/13/05

You'd pay $1500 for Windows XP? voska | 10/13/05

I never said I'd buy Microcrap Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

Huge deterrent to open source developers Real World | 10/12/05

Unless the law set limits to refund of purchase price. (NT) Update victim | 10/12/05

People would think that was a joke Mark Miller | 10/12/05

I can't see how they can do that... ju1ce | 10/12/05

Doesn't matter BFD | 10/12/05

On the other hand, its open source... Root User | 10/12/05

Bad argument, IMO IT Scion | 10/12/05

Good point, And the other problem there John Zern | 10/12/05

Re: Bad argument, IMO Root User | 10/13/05

Possibly but IT Scion | 10/13/05

Correction IT Scion | 10/13/05

Re: Possibly but Root User | 10/13/05

A couple of issues. IT Scion | 10/13/05

Open Source would be immune voska | 10/12/05

Hmm Real World | 10/12/05

Right you are voska | 10/12/05

A lot of customers don't want to look at the source code Mark Miller | 10/12/05

That argument then would kill OSS. IT Scion | 10/12/05

Quite teh opposite actually voska | 10/13/05

Quite the opposite actually voska | 10/13/05

That's an assumption, IMO IT Scion | 10/13/05

There are other factors too. IT Scion | 10/13/05

True, we can only speculate on what would happen voska | 10/13/05

You're right...everyone would lose in the long run.(nt) IT Scion | 10/13/05

What an ignorant assertion twriter | 10/12/05

Exactly IT Scion | 10/12/05

I Would Approve Of Warning Labels On PCs Or Software itanalyst | 10/12/05

Great, just what this country needs Real World | 10/13/05

Developer's under scrutiny? ju1ce | 10/12/05

Protecting the small guy techboy_z | 10/12/05

Unions movie-crew | 10/13/05

Unions IT Scion | 10/13/05

Maybe that's why Howie's the *former* czar... techboy_z | 10/12/05

Even if people and companies were willing... Anton Philidor | 10/12/05

Here is my suggestion for this problem Kamakazii | 10/12/05

Your suggestion is waaaaaay impractical. wolf_z | 10/12/05

Certification tty0 | 10/12/05

Almost, but not quite. Jake Danger | 10/12/05

Is it even possible? CobraA1 | 10/12/05

Yup IT Scion | 10/12/05

Don't think so; could be wrong zztong | 10/13/05

I wish I could meet the guy Yensi717 | 10/12/05

Most opposed to this are developers. bjbrock | 10/12/05

Bad ones. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/12/05

I can't see how this makes it Real World | 10/13/05

Okay. Let me connect the dots for you. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

No comparison. IT Scion | 10/13/05

You're aware Real World | 10/14/05

Good ones movie-crew | 10/13/05

They know whereof they speak movie-crew | 10/13/05

I Thought The EULA Addressed This? itanalyst | 10/12/05

Not... jasonp@... | 10/12/05

All software has bugs, but sheer number of bugs in some ... Plain Logic | 10/12/05

Have a waiver in case customer chooses a less security Mark Miller | 10/12/05

Hold security consultants liable for flaws barefoot_skidude | 10/12/05

One small problem. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

Hold Microsoft responsible? Try capital punishment: HypnoToad | 10/12/05

It is ONLY reasonable to expect DECENT quality michael_t | 10/12/05

Flaws benf_z | 10/12/05

Software development is not a science or full engineering discipline Mark Miller | 10/12/05

Good show: buying a michael_t | 10/12/05

who determines what is an error and who's at fault? John Zern | 10/12/05

Just stating facts Mark Miller | 10/13/05

Banks? movie-crew | 10/13/05

Interesting info. Mark Miller | 10/13/05

"Hold EVERYONE liable for flaws" John Zern | 10/12/05

A really terrible idea buzzl | 10/12/05

Absolute Nonsense ryxr30 | 10/12/05

The precedent is well established. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

The difference Real World | 10/13/05

You're wrong. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/13/05

Which is it? Real World | 10/14/05

You're being ridiculous. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 10/15/05

What's with all the analogies? IT Scion | 10/14/05

c and c++ are part of the problem hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

Drivers? movie-crew | 10/13/05

yes i am serious (.net or java byteccode compiled native) hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

Complexity, deadlines movie-crew | 10/13/05

i disagree hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

Moved for speed movie-crew | 10/13/05

"writing stable, safe code takes time" with my model unsafe code impossible hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

and then there is hardware partitioning hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

Hold programmers liable for flaws tspencer@... | 10/13/05

over simplistic hipparchus2000 | 10/13/05

High horse bmonster | 10/13/05

Let's hold Bureaucrats responsible for their bad policies Steven Rogers | 10/13/05

Even better movie-crew | 10/13/05

Sure. Just as soon as I can sue... SamBirnbaum | 10/13/05

This is a really great idea.....?!?! rock06r | 10/13/05

rock06r, nice rant...but u must be high on the btljooz | 10/13/05

ZDNet asks: btljooz | 10/13/05

Good question. IT Scion | 10/13/05

Also forgot IT Scion | 10/13/05

Message has been deleted. IT Scion | 10/13/05

Just Like the Government! jimc52@... | 10/13/05

Read Item 165 Below jimc52@... | 10/13/05

YES! jimc52@... | 10/13/05

Security Costs Extra My Friend! wildranger | 10/13/05

I think the companies should be Arrg | 10/14/05

Should be held liable if starworth1 | 10/14/05

And experts should be held accountable Boot_Agnostic | 10/14/05

Your example wouldn't hold up in court! tatumx | 10/14/05

developer liability for flaws in software products johnbarri | 10/20/05

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