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Symantec and Microsoft are joined at the hip
Symantec and Microsoft have a long relationship in screwing the customer you cannot trust eiter one. FUD FUD FUD FUD.

Hell they sell a 5 dollar program for 79.99 because they are almost a monopoly.
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Here's the Important Part  coffeenite | 09/19/05
This is a stupid article anyway  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
exactly..like anyone worht anything takes Symantec seriously anymore  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
We Are Much Better Off Getting Advice From YOU?  PMC-CON | 09/19/05
no, mindless twits like you should keep listening to Microsoft and Symantec  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
Mindless twits aye?  golowenow | 09/19/05
Aye aye matey!  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
McAfee is free on Comcast  golowenow | 09/20/05
I NEVER get nothing  YaBaby | 09/21/05
PMC-CON  brian ansorge | 09/20/05
symantec has been the target for some viruses lately...  linuxoverwindows | 09/19/05
NAV & McAfee have been disappointing as of late  sctang73@... | 09/20/05
doesn't matter either way  al881 | 09/20/05
It's been a long time, too  Update victim | 09/20/05
BS?  D-Ram | 09/20/05
Norton was great - Symantic SUCKS!  The Computer Pimp | 09/20/05
Very Laughable NAV Sucks  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
...and your posting is idiotic  cicuta | 09/20/05
Learning to read should be your priority  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
and learning to write should be yours  cicuta | 09/22/05
And minding your own business should be yours  IceTheNet@... | 09/23/05
19 to 3  jim@... | 09/19/05
finish the line...  linuxoverwindows | 09/19/05
This report is a joke!!  FreeBSD | 09/20/05
Symantec and Microsoft are joined at the hip  RobertoSalazar | 09/19/05
SYM + MS  rickearley | 09/19/05
Join at the hip ooooh yeah  bcbooks | 09/20/05
And where is the Linux version of Symantec?  johnlb2002 | 09/20/05
Sure! They make billions out of 'securing' IE why would they like  michael_t | 09/19/05
All that says  I_am_hellion_z | 09/19/05
fact or fiction  voska | 09/21/05
and..  D-Ram | 09/20/05
so what? at least IE is not only browers anymore  M_c | 09/19/05
they have  b_ruce | 09/19/05
Except...  thetargos | 09/20/05
In hindsight  IT_User | 09/19/05
Well  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Agreed and  Sheeva | 09/21/05
Another Thing  RobertoSalazar | 09/19/05
Another thing redacted  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
IE vs FF "reality"  cgraham_z | 09/19/05
would you rather ff tell everyone how to hack you  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Symantec...The Standard of Non-Credibility  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/19/05
Transparent attempt to safeguard their source of income  michael_t | 09/19/05
Actually, FireFox is based on very mature code ...  OldFossil | 09/19/05
How old is the Gecko engine?  michael_t | 09/19/05
There amounts of time for their rendering engines are that different  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Not really  michael_t | 09/20/05
Not really  michael_t | 09/20/05
yes really  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Mature or old and feeble?  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Learn, then talk  radicaldude | 09/19/05
Why did you miss this?  michael_t | 09/19/05
Prove It  node357 | 09/19/05
Incorrect Information!!  xjahn | 09/19/05
Your logic sucks  NonZealot | 09/19/05
your "logic" didn't take us any further  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
Your logic is ... impeccable... Kudos.  michael_t | 09/19/05
Well, I'm no Einstein!  NonZealot | 09/19/05
dude, you TOTALLY invalidated yourself  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
Your not quite getting it  richardthegreat | 09/20/05
Logic very flawed  AmusedAtItAll | 09/20/05
You would be  voska | 09/21/05
Nice rant  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Shut up and get back to work or get a life  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/20/05
I agree  djc1309@... | 09/20/05
Here's a fact for you ...  I_am_hellion_z | 09/19/05
wrong  Jeff Spicoli | 09/19/05
Where is the fact? The "better moustrap"?  michael_t | 09/19/05
Fact is, its vulnerable and therefore insecure.  darreno1 | 09/19/05
Re: Fact is, its vulnerable and therefore insecure.  nightshade0143 | 09/20/05
As FF gains market share the attacks will increase..  darreno1 | 09/20/05
well you forgot about repair ratio.  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
It also depends on your OS  Chad_z | 09/20/05
And the beat goes on ...  OldFossil | 09/19/05
These type of stats won't matter until  Real World | 09/19/05
oops  Real World | 09/19/05
I respectfully disagree ...  OldFossil | 09/19/05
I'm not saying  Real World | 09/19/05
Can't say I've ever heard that  voska | 09/19/05
It wasn't in the  Real World | 09/20/05
Exactly why I don't let my family  ebrke | 09/20/05
MOZILLA VS. IE  mesmd | 09/19/05
HYPE VS. REALITY  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
First thing you said that makes any sense  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
Exactly  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Better than Opera's?? Not in thousand years!  markbn | 09/20/05
opera is a good browser but  IceTheNet@... | 09/23/05
RE: opera is a good browser but  markbn | 09/24/05
your confused  IceTheNet@... | 09/24/05
RE: your (sic) confused  markbn | 09/25/05
Spelling  realoldnavyretired | 09/21/05
Doubletalk from Symantec  dhryder | 09/19/05
So True....  EBathory | 09/19/05
At least one has come true  node357 | 09/19/05
Most end up WIN PC anyway  rock06r | 09/20/05
Only time will tell who will rein supreme  liqour43@... | 09/19/05
Quality vs. Bottom Line  talontamer | 09/19/05
AV is a community responsibility  node357 | 09/19/05
so you would be ok infecting everyone else?  rock06r | 09/20/05
Faulty Comparison  dl@... | 09/19/05
Firefox is based on older software  mnordhoff | 09/20/05
RE: Faulty Comparison  HerbieHightower | 09/20/05
Ummm  IT Scion | 09/20/05
For total computer safety....  Shutterbug | 09/19/05
RE For total computer safety....  OmarZewddie | 09/20/05
Most of you are in denial  balsover | 09/19/05
True, but.....  todbran@... | 09/19/05
You are dreaming  balsover | 09/19/05
Good luck...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/19/05
Do those exploits...  balsover | 09/19/05
Locked Down Users  PMC-CON | 09/19/05
Disable ActiveX....  todbran@... | 09/19/05
You are ignorant.  balsover | 09/19/05
BTW Flash is ActiveX If You Let It Be ... (nt)  PMC-CON | 09/19/05
Then it is a problem. nt  balsover | 09/19/05
Not exactly.  enduser_z | 09/19/05
then do not run that page  balsover | 09/19/05
You'd be able to run the page..  TheSickEmpire | 09/19/05
You sure can  voska | 09/19/05
most of the flashy sites these days  balsover | 09/19/05
Turning off ActiveX is not needed.  IT Scion | 09/21/05
ActiveX  IT Scion | 09/20/05
Right right .... Mozilla developers are in denial  michael_t | 09/19/05
Actually I said that you were in denial  balsover | 09/19/05
So true.  darreno1 | 09/19/05
Says The Guy Who Never Used FF  nikoli | 09/20/05
Let me tell you....  todbran@... | 09/19/05
You are aware  Real World | 09/19/05
Also...  toadlife | 09/19/05
Duhhhh  todbran@... | 09/19/05
See response above...  PeregrineFalcon | 09/19/05
How do you stop the popups?  enduser_z | 09/19/05
USE FF  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Hardly anyone complains.  Real World | 09/20/05
of course they would loose their job  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
Where to begin  Real World | 09/20/05
typos  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
People who don't understand security...  Sxooter_z | 09/19/05
Then There's The Other Method...  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/19/05
and a 3rd method  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Nonsense!  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
OK Here We Go!  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Yes, please do go on  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
OK well I see there is no ignorance in your family  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Place them where you want  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
I had Norton and McCaffee  s_gamgee | 09/21/05
Huray  IceTheNet@... | 09/23/05
Go get em!  golowenow | 09/19/05
Oooooooooooo-kay  Henaway | 09/19/05
Active x? Plugins? What the dif??  golowenow | 09/19/05
You should be fired  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Message has been deleted.  balsover | 09/19/05
Message has been deleted.  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
well they deleted a good message  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Apparently overweight and illiterate as well...  Scrat | 09/20/05
Oh please...  itanal | 09/20/05
Message has been deleted.  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
Message has been deleted.  RobX2005 | 09/20/05
Message has been deleted.  itanal | 09/20/05
ZDnet Scum Bag Editors  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
I was just proving a point that ZDnet Deleted  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
Why not burned at the stake?  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Oops. Make that "TalkBack".. (NT)  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Message has been deleted.  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Unsupported opinion is not fact, no matter how many times you say it is  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Oh I C you can say orifice but not as  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Spelling lesson for you???  livewire^ | 09/21/05
Firefox vulnerabilities  Peronthious | 12/07/05
vulnerabilities: 31 for IE vs 28 for Firefox  dabruro | 09/19/05
Not the same time frame  george_ou | 09/19/05
If those older ones are still  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/19/05
That's the funniest explanation I've heard yet...  ju1ce | 09/20/05
The bottom line  georgep_z | 09/19/05
Ever get tired of idiot fanboys?  ThinkAboutIt | 09/19/05
I get tired of idiots period.  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Don't help him out with his spelling.  Grayson Peddie | 09/19/05
Yes and as has been  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/19/05
Ask and ye shall be informed  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Doesn't really matter  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
JVM Scripts?  PMC-CON | 09/20/05
For PCM-CON  IceTheNet@... | 09/22/05
99% of the sites I write use JS  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/19/05
I have an idea  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/20/05
Amen to that (nt)  IT Scion | 09/21/05
Just FYI  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
That's nice an all but....  darreno1 | 09/19/05
True True True  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Don't need  IT Scion | 09/21/05
For IT Scion Waa go home to mama!!  IceTheNet@... | 09/23/05
Most sites that use DHTML  balsover | 09/19/05
Do I have to mention Extentions ONE MORE Time  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
you are not in the position to comment on spelling  balsover | 09/19/05
Thank You  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Sloppy work habits are sloppy work habits  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
I already corrected you once  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
;-}  ThinkAboutIt | 09/19/05
That's funny  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/19/05
Syntax error, buddy  node357 | 09/19/05
?  ThinkAboutIt | 09/19/05
awk  balsover | 09/19/05
hate to burst your bubble but  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Returning the favor...  ejhonda | 09/20/05
Ever get tired of idiot fanboys?  code_flogger | 09/19/05
so it just told me that their was  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Misposted  code_flogger | 08/06/06
infact here is your js  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
guess I shut you up  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
I have a default FF install...  nikoli | 09/20/05
Yeah...  itanal | 09/20/05
Oh Yeah...  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
Nice post, just goes to show....  darreno1 | 09/19/05
That's one way to skew the statistics  John L. Ries | 09/19/05
There's more than one skewer in the forum  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Skewing  John L. Ries | 09/19/05
Mitchel Baker is not a "he"  MarkCarson | 09/19/05
Thank you for the (totally irrelevant) info  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
I'm under attack!  dataless | 09/19/05
Fair is fair  balsover | 09/19/05
I find it rather hard to believe your "story"  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/19/05
it doesn't mean anything.  balsover | 09/19/05
Bravo!  ejhonda | 09/20/05
That was my point  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/20/05
They don't listen well  node357 | 09/19/05
maybe the answer is no  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Do you really make a living "fixing computers"? Incredible!  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
damn dude do I have to tell you everything  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
I have to assume  Real World | 09/20/05
why bother dude  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
Re: why bother dude  Real World | 09/20/05
Oh please, how big of an idiot can you make yourself look?  Scrat | 09/21/05
And while we are on the subject....  Scrat | 09/21/05
Message has been deleted.  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
Message has been deleted.  Scrat | 09/22/05
No better than they are  lenohere | 09/20/05
Don't waste your money calling tech support  Real World | 09/20/05
That would part of it  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
A better metric for software security  MildlyAmuzed | 09/19/05
good old fanboy  oblivionxyz@... | 09/19/05
Vulnerablity Comparisons  gbray@... | 09/19/05
Meaningful statistics  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
you see this is why descretioYou see this is why discretion is important !  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Re: Meaningful Statistics  blu_z | 09/20/05
good reasoning but  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
Trust  djtriv420@... | 09/19/05
IE is part of XP code vs. Firefox is an app.  esale | 09/19/05
Details please.  balsover | 09/19/05
try to uninstall IE  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Ie is built into the system...  ju1ce | 09/20/05
Interesting stats ...  code_flogger | 09/19/05
Hmmm...It figures  Krazyken39 | 09/19/05
It doesn't make Firefox any worse than IE  balsover | 09/19/05
not really firefox is still a baby  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
LOL LOL LOL!  golowenow | 09/19/05
your bass akwards  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
You spelled "brease" wrong. It's "breeze."  Grayson Peddie | 09/19/05
ya I saw that  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
You speelled liffe wrong  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/20/05
speeking of loosing  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
Um YOU better take an HTML course dude  golowenow | 09/20/05
I program every day of my life  IceTheNet@... | 09/21/05
If you do then why not answer your error?  golowenow | 09/21/05
You really didn't want to go there so now you pay  IceTheNet@... | 09/22/05
Thanks for the recognition  golowenow | 09/25/05
Symatec commenting on SECURITY is joke  AldoWatts | 09/19/05
Figures never lie...  sbarman | 09/19/05
Norton AV  Jeffhs | 09/19/05
Norton Virus Magnet  cdgoldin | 09/19/05
Awe jeez here we go again  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/19/05
Its Symantec's Legal Obligation to Scare YOU  Vassa | 09/19/05
Symantec and MS  tyndl | 09/19/05
Ironic  shawn777a | 09/19/05
1 question  CobraA1 | 09/19/05
again LOL  IceTheNet@... | 09/19/05
Looks like...  Qbt | 09/20/05
Well Not So Fast There Peter Eater  IceTheNet@... | 09/20/05
Maybe we don't want to use IE anymore...  Iain D | 10/05/05
Symantec Mozilla more insecure.......  Andromedat6 | 09/19/05
Mozilla IE Security  Security1A | 09/19/05
Aaahh!!  Qbt | 09/19/05
Symantec or Norton reports to rely on?  alxnsc@... | 09/19/05
Patch, Patch, Patch  BobSchlesinger_z | 09/20/05
So Bob how is that different with IE and MS?  Iain D | 10/05/05
Cable News Blueprint  TomGab | 09/20/05
Browser War?  qix77@... | 09/20/05
Deceptive headline!  Reverend MacFellow | 09/20/05
Only 13 for IE?  kokuryu | 09/20/05
Thanks  Qbt | 09/20/05
How Much did TOM get paid to write this?  jakesdad_z | 09/20/05
the M$ media juggernaut strikes again. if they get people to quote their  wessonjoe | 09/20/05
Enough BS to last a lifetime  slimmac1 | 09/20/05
Oh Come On People  john_chodkowski@... | 09/20/05
I Agree With John  DOS_is_Boss | 09/20/05
Actually John  MildlyAmuzed | 09/20/05
Nail on the head  Iain D | 10/05/05
DId you forget...  Shadus | 09/20/05
No, but  Qbt | 09/20/05
Oh quit the crying already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  John Zern | 09/20/05
I don't think anyone sane has said their OS or browser  Laff | 09/21/05
conspiracies  corticus | 12/27/05
Inappropriate Headline  evangelinux | 09/20/05
Yes but  Qbt | 09/20/05
Graphs & CVs are dangerous things  Iain D | 10/05/05
Not true: Mozilla equals no-activex, not-vbscript. So which is more secure?  eduardo.carriles@... | 09/20/05
True  dch48 | 09/20/05
MOZILLA BROWZER VULNERABILITY  fakir005@... | 09/20/05
Maybe Symantec should make some proof of concept code  Boot_Agnostic | 09/20/05
I use the McCafe stand alone...i.e. without AOL  degger007 | 09/20/05
Symantec in bed with Microsoft?  degger007 | 09/20/05
[gloating]  brian ansorge | 09/20/05
Yeah right  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/20/05
OK...let's take you at your word and you don't have  Laff | 09/21/05
Is that english?  Jeff the god of biscuits | 09/22/05
Thanks for asking....  s_gamgee | 09/21/05
Messege deleted  Boot_Agnostic | 09/21/05
Simple!  dguith@... | 09/21/05
Symantec & McAfee causes more problems!  deadendman1969@... | 09/21/05
Bottom line is that  michael_t | 09/21/05
best Browser I've found - Flashpeake Slimbrowser  gdempsey1@... | 09/21/05
'splain something to me, please  ccrashh2@... | 09/26/05
Nicely Put  Iain D | 10/05/05
IE intrusion tested, FF protection tested...  alxnsc@... | 11/28/05
I do Firefox for the tabs and the extensions  GreatInca | 12/27/05
Symantec - Security experts?  deefburger | 12/27/05

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