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Energy without brain
MY OP:
[Phase II has started (as expected and warned) .

``Zombie, or "bot," related incidents reached 13,000 from April through June, quadrupling the number in the previous three months, according to antivirus-software maker McAfee. The company estimates that 63 percent more machines were exploited by bot programs and their slightly less insidious, but more common cousins, spyware and adware, in the first six months of this year than the total number affected last year.''

And this combined with the fact that all this activity now results in financial data hijacking means that we moved on to Phase II. Upt until a few months ago, kids would show off how 'smart' they were by writing a small script that could self-propagate on a large swathe of ms windows PCs. These kids were not really smarter, it was the OS which was and remains DUMB.

It is NOT surprising that all the criminals are now picking up where the kids left off: they use all the holes 'of various sizes and shapes' as aptly were described by an MS official, to steal as much personal information as possible AND LEVERAGE this info to carry our illegal transactions.

And WHY NOT? The crappy MS windows was NEVER corrected seriously. MS is still trying to release one patch after the other and still the same and the same. MS thoughht that this flimsiness is a strong motive for people to get forced to switch to the longhorn.

What a sorrowful company and how pathetic their 'design' and 'engineering' skills.

MS: ``The company of the extremes: MOST MONEY, LEAST QUALITY, MOST Groupies''(tm)

--m
]

Your latest un-oppinionated ... non-BS `answer'...


``You haven't said one thing that makes me think you know what you are talking about show me some ''

You mean that you do not know what I am talking about? Pls then ask me then to break it down for you. in gindergatern terms. I should had realized that you have a reading comprehension problem.

``real stuff you have worked on and some real data then we will talk (and yes try me the BS you gave about "I have done PLENTY which for you to understand would require a Ph.D. in CS or EE", if I had a nickel for everytime I heard that I'd be retired now) I'd also be interested on a professional level as well to hear about it. ''

Ok, ok settle down.
HOW any of these incoherent of personal attacks, address any of the points I made in my OP? You claim to be SO well versed in the intricacies of the PC insecurity, so its hould be very EASY for you to refute the points in my OP (read it above). Where is your technical answer? I guess you cannot give a reasonable reply that is why you are resorting to this raging personal attacks. (Rabid shots necessary?)



``Yet so far what I can see is I hit a nerve with "unintelligent comments", yet in return you give no legitimate data nor do you give any kind of base to give an arguement about. Why is that...so you can attack anything I say with opinionated BS.''

Let me help you out here: discourse is two way communication of ideas, information, data, jokes, etc.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT REPLIED to ANY of the points I made in my OP. You provide NO SUBSTANCE for the 2nd party to work with. (You really need to control your rage doode, relax...


``WE all know the problems associated with SW out there...but do you want me to list what problems I had today or yesterday...maybe last week? Maybe I should tell you all about my problems with SCSI drivers for linux, or maybe some of the security holes our staff found in our linux servers, or maybe should I bore you with problems with the exchange server since a recent transition to 2003 from 97, or maybe.....''

Well if you have information with technical content you should provide it, IF it is PERTINENT in the CONTEXT of the discussion. I do not KNOW what is in your head, AND I do NOT CARE for that matter wink However, if you REALLY have something of SUBSTANCE to bring in this forum, then BRING it in. Then others could LEARN from your experience or insight, wisdom, etc. It seems that cannot offer anything else but RAGE. Not cool.


``YES WE ALL ARE AWARE of problems with MS ... ''

So, WHAT are the MS's problems in YOUR point of view? Just the top 5 problems.


``but until there's a better shoe that fits MS is the answer for most hence popularity.''

If you are claining that MS is 'the best shoe' out there, it's time to shop around for ... 'shoes'. In terms of security, UNIX + derivatives, OS-X, Linux are WAY better than ms windows. Check out

=================================
www.cert.org
[Search microsoft] about 1851 results found

[Search unix, -microsoft] about 539 results found,
=================================

OR

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cecunia.com
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[Search microsoft]
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369 Secunia Security Advisories,
5757 Viruses
=================================


``Also your arguements will fall on mute ears I fear for this simple reason, until there's a software that will be as familiar as windows in the work place there will not be a replacement. Its substandard quality makes it through the day for most and believe it or not 40% of the time there's problems or flaws, its due to the fact the software is being used in the aspect the engineers didn't design it for therefore opening a whole new can of worms. ''

yes, the engineers were only planning to support funcitonality, like visiting a web site which then contains cladenstine scripts in the page that can install spyware or kbd recording code that can be contacted remotely to upload the personal info. OR the s/w feature of allowing remote creeps to encrypt your files and ask ransom money so that you can get to them.


``Put that in you pipe and smoke it.''

I don't smoke and you SHOULDN'T either: that stuff is interfering with the mental processes AND gives you rage.


I am very patient with the mentally challenged but NOT with the self-confident, loud people who shoot their mouth off left and right, only to demonstrate they have nothing to talk about. What points have you made in your 'replies' to me, BESIDES low-braw personal attacks at me?

Neverheless, REREAD my OP and IF you have something of substabce to bring in the discussion go ahead.

I am sorry if you feel so angry: just try to educate yourself so that next time you can hold your end of conversation with reason and facts.

and cool down.
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