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Is the freedom to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater (where no fire exists) essential? Most would say (and courts have held) that it is not.

- I would say that any freedom that does not directly endager someone's life is ESSENTIAL. This does not include your own as I don't feel the government should make laws on that.

There are many levels of freedom, ranging from despotism on the low end to anarchy on the high end. I would (humbly) submit that being anonymous on the Internet doesn't even come close to being an essential freedom. There's too much cost for too little gain. And it's not realistic, to begin with.

-Well that is where I feel you are willing to compromise your freedom and I am not. Yes it is very realistic and has been up until now. You are responsible for you OWN security on the internet. Regulations and laws are counterproductive and contrary to our constitution. "Too much cost for too little gain?" Huh? your part of the problem obviously.
You must be a patriot act supporter.

Let's not forget what we're talking about here: We're talking about ISP's *retaining* records, not them handing over the data to the authorities. They are two separate processes.

- No one has the right to keep enforcement information on me and my family or track what I do, my beliefs, my interests, my hobbies, I have committed no crime, if anything I help to enforce just laws.

You have no right whatsoever to control what your ISP does with their data. Your financial data is another matter, but your Web history isn't sacrosanct.

- Oh yes I do, and I will. Any ISP that I find out keeps this data on me will not have me as a customer. And I will send letters to our government offices and the ISP stating my opinions. My money is my vote sir, in everything I do. If they can't be motivated by honor I will use what I can to move them.

I currently work in the IT field and will do all I can to oppose these types of unjust invasions of personal privacy.

I suggest you go out and pick up a history book and read about the ocean of blood that spilled, the young soldiers maimed and killed and the horrors the world has seen to get the rights that you toss aside as garbage while you run on your regulated hampster wheel of life. Start thinking ......everyone start thinking.
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And here is where I cry rights violation  nucrash | 06/16/05
I think it has Homeland Security  ebrke | 06/16/05
Ben Franklin Quote  bhartman36 | 06/16/05
REread that again...  Joe Blow_z | 06/16/05
Material  bhartman36 | 06/16/05
Not necessarily legal  deadgoat | 06/18/05
Good Point  bhartman36 | 06/18/05
Actually, Ben said this many times, in many different ways.  Judas I. | 06/16/05
Freedom vs. Security  bhartman36 | 06/16/05
Good points, and I agree with you ...  Judas I. | 06/16/05
Arbitrary or Despotic Control  bhartman36 | 06/17/05
Once again, I agree with you, but ...  Judas I. | 06/17/05
Individualism and Freedom  heeltap26 | 06/23/05
Benjamin Franklin  Joe Blow_z | 06/16/05
The quote works anyway  Protector | 06/16/05
Is there a liberty that's not essential?  bhartman36 | 06/16/05
start thinking  Protector | 06/17/05
Freedom with Responsibility  osreinstall | 06/17/05
Essential Freedoms  bhartman36 | 06/17/05
if the terrorist get us to give up our freedoms  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
How the Terrorists Win  bhartman36 | 06/18/05
I don't want to pay for this  Protector | 06/16/05
GW Bush's ISP Log  itanalyst | 06/16/05
good stuff  r7di697 | 06/17/05
FOor my good please set cameras at my home...  FirstNLastN | 06/16/05
if you don't know what you're doing....  pesky_z | 06/16/05
Get a warrant  Spats30 | 06/16/05
they want to bypass warrants  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
Your ISP as a Net watchdog - It's 1984 d?j? vu.  csagnard | 06/16/05
I guess IBM wasn't the only thing sold to China  BitTwiddler | 06/16/05
Intriguing reading for you................  btljooz | 06/16/05
No it doesn't  osreinstall | 06/16/05
Jeez  r7di697 | 06/17/05
ISP record retention  TeddyC_z | 06/17/05
This is a pathetic attempt to be a big brother  Been_Done_Before | 06/17/05
Proxy servers, etc.  bhartman36 | 06/17/05
VPN would take off  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
Re: Once again, I agree with you, but (from OButterball)  bhartman36 | 06/17/05
'Undernets' will spring up everywhere...  Colonel_Panic | 06/17/05
exactly - this would not effect terrorist  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
Too many lawyers surf porn, this SCREAMS civil rights...  Colonel_Panic | 06/17/05
if the terrorist get us to give up our freedom  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
wrong terrorist will use old fasion bbs style comunication  JasonL31 | 06/18/05

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