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1. Until MS has to conform to a real Standard
LittleGuy - 03/05/07
there will be no standard except MS's. Under documented, Patented, Hidden
structures, and ever changing.
Oh, and I bet the translater does far from a perfect job.
1.1. Of course......
linux for me - 03/05/07
By the translator being faulty, they can point to the real standard, ODF, and say...See, ODF is faulty!
If the translator did a perfect job, then Microsoft can't claim that the ODF standard is bad, when in realty, their OOXML is the faulty standard.
Microsoft, will not miss any opportunity to lock in their monopoly.
2. Ya gotta love it!
LittleGuy - 03/05/07
http://blogs.business2.com/beta/2007/03/us_government_b.html
3. Declaring victory
Yagotta B. Kidding - 03/05/07
Well, it's certainly true that Microsoft wants people to move on and stop paying attention to the issue.
4. No truce, it is rather obvious that MS wants to claim the war is over and
DonnieBoy - 03/05/07
then just keep on with the compatibility problems as always. The war will be over when there is one standard that is open, documented, with an open source reference implementation, and that one standard can not be controlled to disadvantage competitors.
5. Wow, and it's just as bad as the MCAN translator!
zaine_ridling - 03/05/07
Holy crapula, Brian Jones just committed a Fox News ploy: declare victory in the midst of stunning defeat and rejection, and go home. Nice little rhetorical trick if you can get away with it. But not so fast, Brian. Has anyone else noticed the moratorium on OXML blog posts by Microsoft employees recently? Now you get a flood of silly posts about "choice," "compatibility," and "no format wars." A few of the ZDNet crowd is pushing OXML like crack dealers in their blogs, as if their jobs depended on Microsoft. (Oh wait, they do, don't they?) Problem is, there never was a format war because OXML is and will never be a universal ISO-certified file format. Game over. Microsoft lost. Two-thirds of the JTC1 nations rejected OXML outright due to its innumerable contradictions that were found in the first 30 days. Fast-tracking via Ecma didn't work as Microsoft planned. The review period was extended for an unprecedented 90 more days and so far Microsoft is flummoxed and silent in response to OXML's inherent flaws and weaknesses.
Please Mary Jo, don't enable Microsoft's best attempts to turn you into Judith Miller. The dirty little secret is that the 'translator' only works on Novell's version of OpenOffice.
The OASIS OpenDocument (ODF) format is the winner, and from coast to coast, states from Massachusetts to Texas to California want ODF, period. Besides, the endless number of proprietary dependencies upon the OXML file format which cascade throughout their software stack — from IE7, Vista, Exchange/Sharepoint through SQL Server and GreatPlains/Dynamics made sure OXML was dead on arrival. Note the key word is compatibility according to Rob Wier, who writes with far better clarity than I could achieve on this subject. Readers owe it to themselves to read his post at:
http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/03/compatibility-according-to-humpty.html
6. So why the lack of comments here? Especially, NOBODY willing to defend MS??
DonnieBoy - 03/05/07
Are the MS fans just too depressed about ODF to even argue here, or are they all paid MS posters and MS wants to turn down the heat on the discussions about ODF???? Seems kind of strange . . . .
6.1. No-win scenario
Yagotta B. Kidding - 03/06/07
MS is in a very serious corner here. The only customers actually speaking on the subject are all demanding ODF, which (for good reason) Microsoft will not provide. That leaves MS with the elephant-in-the-room problem.
Either they admit that they have higher priorities than what customers demand, especially enormous customers [1], or they publicly call those same customers incompetent.
Either way, not a good way to persuade others from doing the same.
Thus, the best MS can hope for right now is silence on the subject.
[1] If California were a country, it would have the eighth-largest economy on Earth -- and it has a large proportion of public/private IT utilization as governments go. Texas is right behind.
6.1.1. I agree 100% with what you said, but still, does that mean that all of the
DonnieBoy - 03/06/07
people posting the MS line are MS employees and controlled by MS. I find it hard to believe that MS has all of them in it's pocket, and that nobody will come to Microsoft's defense here.
Or, are they just all depressed here, that MS will lose the file format war???
7. ODF / OOXML concerns
dhumphrey@... - 03/21/07
While the "governments only" group of office-apps users may sound small and specialized, as compared to the corporate world at large, it should be remembered that file format requirements by governments affect -- among many others -- court filings, submissions of pharmaceutical testing results & petitions for approvals, bidding for contracts large & small, etc. Any of these affect large corporations? An interesting site to look at is http://www.eionet.europa.eu/software/open<ocument. Americans easily forget that most of the world uses A4 paper and metric measurements, and while the world is big enough for dual standards, they must both be accommodated.